1 00:00:16,970 --> 00:00:13,180 [Music] 2 00:00:20,780 --> 00:00:16,980 this hope radio for the masses headliner 3 00:00:22,970 --> 00:00:20,790 between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force 4 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:22,980 has announced are applying this has been 5 00:00:28,570 --> 00:00:24,930 found under now in the possession of the 6 00:00:32,030 --> 00:00:28,580 RA the game is rigged change the game 7 00:00:36,049 --> 00:00:32,040 changer I occasionally think how quickly 8 00:00:39,170 --> 00:00:36,059 our differences worldwide would vanish 9 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:39,180 if we were facing an alien threat from 10 00:00:43,220 --> 00:00:41,250 outside this way 11 00:00:43,390 --> 00:00:43,230 [Music] 12 00:00:46,639 --> 00:00:43,400 [Applause] 13 00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:46,649 [Music] 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:49,110 fade to black with your host Jimmy 15 00:00:54,770 --> 00:00:51,930 church on the game-changer Radio Network 16 00:00:58,580 --> 00:00:54,780 and a GRA the global rain 17 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:03,590 you have to get to the Year 1985 18 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:07,290 [Music] 19 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:09,450 you're listening to fade to black with 20 00:01:20,910 --> 00:01:12,410 Jimmy touch on the game changing Network 21 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:25,210 BAM fade to black 22 00:01:32,550 --> 00:01:26,890 [Music] 23 00:01:43,109 --> 00:01:32,560 this spoke radio for 24 00:01:45,990 --> 00:01:43,119 the Matteson how you do it today's 25 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:46,000 Wednesday September 25th 2019 26 00:01:56,539 --> 00:01:51,770 [Music] 27 00:01:59,090 --> 00:01:56,549 269 days into the New Year just 96 days 28 00:02:00,620 --> 00:01:59,100 left we are live from a bunker somewhere 29 00:02:02,660 --> 00:02:00,630 in the middle of beautiful downtown 30 00:02:04,789 --> 00:02:02,670 Burbank California and I would like to 31 00:02:09,999 --> 00:02:04,799 welcome everybody listening all around 32 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:10,009 the world all across the United States 33 00:02:14,690 --> 00:02:12,810 hither and thither to and fro back and 34 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:14,700 forth up and down east and west north 35 00:02:22,309 --> 00:02:20,160 and south far and near this is fade to 36 00:02:25,970 --> 00:02:22,319 black for kjc are the game changer 37 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:25,980 Network and Katie RA the planet I am 38 00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:28,410 your host Jimmy Church what is cracking 39 00:02:35,510 --> 00:02:40,330 tonight 40 00:02:46,699 --> 00:02:44,930 Richard bleep and Dolan Richard Dolan 41 00:02:50,059 --> 00:02:46,709 right here on fade to black tonight get 42 00:02:56,540 --> 00:02:50,069 ready for that love it when Richard is 43 00:02:58,790 --> 00:02:56,550 here love it when Richard is here got a 44 00:03:02,240 --> 00:02:58,800 lot to talk about with Richard so much 45 00:03:06,020 --> 00:03:02,250 has blown up in the last couple of 46 00:03:08,150 --> 00:03:06,030 months that uh you know I think even you 47 00:03:09,830 --> 00:03:08,160 know I know I know you're here with me 48 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:09,840 every single night you see how I've been 49 00:03:13,370 --> 00:03:12,690 dealing with it barely it's crazy right 50 00:03:15,970 --> 00:03:13,380 it's nuts 51 00:03:19,789 --> 00:03:15,980 UFOs UFOs are everywhere today 52 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:19,799 everywhere and Richard who is so 53 00:03:24,710 --> 00:03:22,290 sensible and calm cool and collected you 54 00:03:27,229 --> 00:03:24,720 know he's losing his mind too right 55 00:03:29,270 --> 00:03:27,239 along with the rest of us but how's he 56 00:03:31,610 --> 00:03:29,280 dealing with it what does he think what 57 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:31,620 are his opinions tonight we're gonna do 58 00:03:34,789 --> 00:03:32,310 all of that 59 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:34,799 it's Richard bleep and Dolan follow us 60 00:03:43,550 --> 00:03:37,410 on twitter at GH radio that's what you 61 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:43,560 want to do at J church radio welcome 62 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:44,970 back fade to black coming off Jimmy 63 00:03:49,010 --> 00:03:47,490 Church tonight Richard Dolan 64 00:03:51,420 --> 00:03:49,020 [Music] 65 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:51,430 tomorrow night Fator night open lines 66 00:03:55,650 --> 00:03:54,010 all night long you know it's funny I'm 67 00:03:58,589 --> 00:03:55,660 gonna ask for we're not bring him on I 68 00:03:59,130 --> 00:03:58,599 can't hear him right now he's in he's on 69 00:04:01,589 --> 00:03:59,140 hold 70 00:04:04,410 --> 00:04:01,599 but I can watch the meters on his 71 00:04:08,670 --> 00:04:04,420 channel bounds which means he's thinks 72 00:04:09,330 --> 00:04:08,680 he's talking to me see he's talking 73 00:04:14,580 --> 00:04:09,340 right now 74 00:04:15,990 --> 00:04:14,590 nobody can hear it Richard Dolan one of 75 00:04:17,699 --> 00:04:16,000 the world's leading researchers and 76 00:04:18,990 --> 00:04:17,709 writers on the subject of UFOs and 77 00:04:21,300 --> 00:04:19,000 believes that they constitute the 78 00:04:23,129 --> 00:04:21,310 greatest mystery of our time completed 79 00:04:24,990 --> 00:04:23,139 his graduate work at the University of 80 00:04:27,170 --> 00:04:25,000 Rochester where he studied us cold war 81 00:04:29,430 --> 00:04:27,180 strategy European history and 82 00:04:31,050 --> 00:04:29,440 international diplomacy Richard also 83 00:04:33,690 --> 00:04:31,060 studied at Alfred University in Oxford 84 00:04:35,909 --> 00:04:33,700 University he's the author of UFOs in 85 00:04:38,310 --> 00:04:35,919 national security state he co-authored 86 00:04:40,770 --> 00:04:38,320 those with a Bryce Abel 80 after 87 00:04:43,770 --> 00:04:40,780 disclosure and his latest book is UFOs 88 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:43,780 of the 21st century mind I got all of 89 00:04:48,510 --> 00:04:45,570 that wrong but it doesn't matter he also 90 00:04:51,180 --> 00:04:48,520 hosts his weekly radio show the Richard 91 00:04:52,530 --> 00:04:51,190 Dolan show he's been a frequent guest on 92 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:52,540 coast to coast and of course right here 93 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:55,330 fade to black ancient alien hanger one 94 00:04:59,880 --> 00:04:58,090 you'll file UFO FILES Close Encounters I 95 00:05:01,110 --> 00:04:59,890 just want to get through this bio so I 96 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:01,120 can get to Richard bleep and Dolan 97 00:05:05,150 --> 00:05:03,370 because tonight we are going to discuss 98 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:05,160 the latest news about the US Navy 99 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:08,289 statements regarding new ApS and all of 100 00:05:12,510 --> 00:05:10,570 the latest developments in the UFO world 101 00:05:14,310 --> 00:05:12,520 and Richards been at the center of it 102 00:05:15,719 --> 00:05:14,320 especially the last couple of months I'd 103 00:05:18,270 --> 00:05:15,729 like to welcome back to faith ablack I 104 00:05:25,890 --> 00:05:18,280 got it all out Richard Dolan Richard how 105 00:05:31,230 --> 00:05:25,900 hard was it man and I actually yeah so 106 00:05:34,230 --> 00:05:31,240 we're correct I was laughing see you 107 00:05:34,969 --> 00:05:34,240 know what Rita Rita instructed me before 108 00:05:37,950 --> 00:05:34,979 the show tonight 109 00:05:41,100 --> 00:05:37,960 she said no Jimmy and Richard bro fest 110 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:41,110 just be professionals so let's just be 111 00:05:50,340 --> 00:05:48,250 professionals I know I'm gonna get so 112 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:50,350 much grief tonight after the show for 113 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:52,570 saying that but but Rita's right you 114 00:05:58,260 --> 00:05:55,930 know because one of the things before I 115 00:06:01,260 --> 00:05:58,270 asked you about the last thing that you 116 00:06:04,010 --> 00:06:01,270 listened to today a piece of music 117 00:06:07,589 --> 00:06:04,020 that the truth is very simple when you 118 00:06:09,180 --> 00:06:07,599 when you start out broadcasting and for 119 00:06:12,749 --> 00:06:09,190 me you know it's been a long time ago 120 00:06:14,879 --> 00:06:12,759 and and you and I had our first 121 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:14,889 interview together we were feeling each 122 00:06:20,100 --> 00:06:17,289 other out you know a couple of jabs and 123 00:06:23,490 --> 00:06:20,110 you know figuring you know your opponent 124 00:06:24,719 --> 00:06:23,500 Alec right and but the next interview 125 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:24,729 and the next in the next and the next 126 00:06:29,820 --> 00:06:27,610 you get past all of those those 127 00:06:32,939 --> 00:06:29,830 questions you get asked all the time and 128 00:06:35,219 --> 00:06:32,949 you and I are now at another level where 129 00:06:37,559 --> 00:06:35,229 we have conversations now about real 130 00:06:40,050 --> 00:06:37,569 issues from two people that trust each 131 00:06:41,730 --> 00:06:40,060 other and and that the audience will 132 00:06:42,870 --> 00:06:41,740 always get that from you and I we were 133 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:42,880 talking about that earlier today 134 00:06:51,029 --> 00:06:45,849 actually yeah that's absolutely true and 135 00:06:52,469 --> 00:06:51,039 and honestly I I tend to complain to you 136 00:06:56,580 --> 00:06:52,479 on the air more than I complain to 137 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:56,590 anybody else you get more complaints on 138 00:07:00,689 --> 00:06:57,970 the air than I get - Tracy and I give 139 00:07:03,379 --> 00:07:00,699 her a lot but I give more to you and I 140 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:03,389 have to ask myself why that's so Jimmy 141 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:06,130 yet you get more of the real me than 142 00:07:09,810 --> 00:07:08,110 most people who interview medium well 143 00:07:12,180 --> 00:07:09,820 and and and vice versa 144 00:07:13,860 --> 00:07:12,190 so and the audience knows that man they 145 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:13,870 really really did I mean look I just 146 00:07:17,580 --> 00:07:15,370 have to say I have 147 00:07:19,740 --> 00:07:17,590 I do enjoy these interviews with you and 148 00:07:22,159 --> 00:07:19,750 I didn't want it to sound like a bro 149 00:07:25,469 --> 00:07:22,169 I just feel like we we tend to get along 150 00:07:27,839 --> 00:07:25,479 you ask me questions that are generally 151 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:27,849 very interesting to me and you have this 152 00:07:33,420 --> 00:07:30,250 way you get things out of me that a lot 153 00:07:35,129 --> 00:07:33,430 of interviewers do not so I have to give 154 00:07:37,740 --> 00:07:35,139 you credit okay what we're gonna do it 155 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:37,750 tonight we're gonna do tonight let's uh 156 00:07:40,860 --> 00:07:39,490 let's get the the basics out of the way 157 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:40,870 what was the last song you listened to 158 00:07:44,430 --> 00:07:42,610 today my friend this was an easy one 159 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:44,440 whose can't touch this by MC Hammer oh 160 00:07:51,209 --> 00:07:47,710 did you really yeah we were we were just 161 00:07:55,439 --> 00:07:51,219 watching the documentary on Elizabeth 162 00:07:57,719 --> 00:07:55,449 Holmes they did she had the company 163 00:08:02,070 --> 00:07:57,729 Farah knows and there's a very very fine 164 00:08:03,959 --> 00:08:02,080 documentary about her her fraud against 165 00:08:07,129 --> 00:08:03,969 the entire world basically about her 166 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:07,139 product and it was called the inventor 167 00:08:12,750 --> 00:08:09,969 out for blood in Silicon Valley and we 168 00:08:13,890 --> 00:08:12,760 just watched it it ended with the MC 169 00:08:16,980 --> 00:08:13,900 Hammer clip 170 00:08:20,330 --> 00:08:16,990 now the you know I haven't seen it yet 171 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:20,340 but and I've heard it's just like 172 00:08:28,460 --> 00:08:24,010 jaw-dropping right where'd the money go 173 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:28,470 I mean that we're talking we're talking 174 00:08:32,670 --> 00:08:30,730 astronomical amounts of dollars here 175 00:08:34,050 --> 00:08:32,680 millions billions of dollars hundreds 176 00:08:36,780 --> 00:08:34,060 and millions of investment dollars I 177 00:08:38,670 --> 00:08:36,790 don't know how she was evaluated at 4.5 178 00:08:41,370 --> 00:08:38,680 billion dollars run point on it right 179 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:41,380 back 15 she's at less than 0 now right 180 00:08:48,270 --> 00:08:44,530 beside unaware oh when I do know that at 181 00:08:50,490 --> 00:08:48,280 least I learned that she lost all of 182 00:08:52,860 --> 00:08:50,500 that money having to repay back 183 00:08:54,630 --> 00:08:52,870 defrauded investors many people in the 184 00:08:58,230 --> 00:08:54,640 state of Arizona she had a deal with 185 00:09:03,480 --> 00:08:58,240 Walgreens in Arizona to do this blood 186 00:09:05,820 --> 00:09:03,490 test system that was in no way ever ever 187 00:09:08,100 --> 00:09:05,830 going to work and it's just astonishing 188 00:09:10,770 --> 00:09:08,110 that someone could lie in such a 189 00:09:12,450 --> 00:09:10,780 bald-faced way to convince all the 190 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:12,460 regulators convince all the investors 191 00:09:17,490 --> 00:09:15,490 that she had this machine that was able 192 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:17,500 to do all the things that she said it 193 00:09:21,930 --> 00:09:19,090 could do when it the science was not 194 00:09:23,310 --> 00:09:21,940 even remotely there in fact according to 195 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:23,320 the people it's like physically 196 00:09:27,030 --> 00:09:25,330 impossible beep you know you can't 197 00:09:29,370 --> 00:09:27,040 defeat the laws of thermodynamics 198 00:09:32,850 --> 00:09:29,380 she had this small little box that was 199 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:32,860 supposedly able to do a blood test for 200 00:09:38,850 --> 00:09:34,570 you comprehensive type of blood test 201 00:09:40,260 --> 00:09:38,860 based on like a drop of blood and the 202 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:40,270 answer is no she did not 203 00:09:44,670 --> 00:09:42,010 and she just lied and lied and lied 204 00:09:48,030 --> 00:09:44,680 about it it's incredible story the same 205 00:09:50,190 --> 00:09:48,040 thing when when you wonder about this 206 00:09:52,230 --> 00:09:50,200 you know how can people pull that off 207 00:09:55,230 --> 00:09:52,240 right how can people pull off 208 00:09:58,470 --> 00:09:55,240 Oh fraud and technically hoax too but 209 00:10:00,600 --> 00:09:58,480 you know and deal with in our field 210 00:10:04,140 --> 00:10:00,610 that's research where I'm going well not 211 00:10:06,330 --> 00:10:04,150 really sort of and that is there was 212 00:10:13,380 --> 00:10:06,340 another it's a fantastic book it's 213 00:10:16,620 --> 00:10:13,390 called bre-x BRE - X and I I got the 214 00:10:18,210 --> 00:10:16,630 book somebody gave me the book ended up 215 00:10:22,470 --> 00:10:18,220 getting a second one started to read 216 00:10:24,030 --> 00:10:22,480 about it and bre-x was a Canadian 217 00:10:31,199 --> 00:10:24,040 company 218 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:31,209 to get into the details but it was so 219 00:10:41,340 --> 00:10:35,170 they head out to Bo sang you know how in 220 00:10:44,670 --> 00:10:41,350 in the South Pacific and they find gold 221 00:10:46,769 --> 00:10:44,680 deposits and through drilling and the 222 00:10:49,829 --> 00:10:46,779 course and the court said that this was 223 00:10:51,990 --> 00:10:49,839 the largest gold deposit gold vein at 224 00:10:55,189 --> 00:10:52,000 the surface of the earth right there in 225 00:10:57,629 --> 00:10:55,199 the history of the known universe right 226 00:10:59,040 --> 00:10:57,639 the the amount of gold that was there 227 00:11:02,389 --> 00:10:59,050 that was coming up with these core 228 00:11:06,629 --> 00:11:02,399 samples well the stock price of reacts 229 00:11:11,069 --> 00:11:06,639 went from a penny stock to like 300 230 00:11:16,769 --> 00:11:11,079 dollars a share in like the year if it's 231 00:11:20,309 --> 00:11:16,779 like 1990 91 92 93 94 a BRE X went from 232 00:11:23,670 --> 00:11:20,319 the Canadian stock exchange to Nasdaq to 233 00:11:28,199 --> 00:11:23,680 the New York Stock Exchange and it was 234 00:11:32,460 --> 00:11:28,209 all a fraud this dude was taking gold 235 00:11:38,629 --> 00:11:32,470 flakes aged gold flakes and dropping him 236 00:11:44,579 --> 00:11:41,970 nice canady and it was it's one of the 237 00:11:47,550 --> 00:11:44,589 biggest and and and now we are talking 238 00:11:52,650 --> 00:11:47,560 about when this thing imploded it's 239 00:11:54,809 --> 00:11:52,660 amazing right we need bre-x bre-x is 240 00:12:01,579 --> 00:11:54,819 quite incredible now this is the the 241 00:12:06,269 --> 00:12:01,589 thing all of Canada was in stocks 242 00:12:10,500 --> 00:12:06,279 retirement funds right everybody loaded 243 00:12:12,990 --> 00:12:10,510 up and this stock went $2 $4 $8 you know 244 00:12:14,970 --> 00:12:13,000 telleth it's up to 300 bucks everybody's 245 00:12:17,879 --> 00:12:14,980 rich everybody's happy 246 00:12:20,759 --> 00:12:17,889 it was just incredible New York Stock 247 00:12:25,949 --> 00:12:20,769 Exchange for ringing the bell the whole 248 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:25,959 shot and then they got busted and it's 249 00:12:31,769 --> 00:12:28,930 incredible and it lasted for I'm gonna 250 00:12:33,269 --> 00:12:31,779 say it was about a five six-year run and 251 00:12:37,290 --> 00:12:33,279 then the guy that did the gold 252 00:12:37,810 --> 00:12:37,300 sprinkling right yes it fell out of a 253 00:12:48,850 --> 00:12:37,820 helicopter 254 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:48,860 after accidentally yeah one of the money 255 00:12:52,810 --> 00:12:51,890 that you saw Scarface you know you know 256 00:12:54,730 --> 00:12:52,820 you know the drill 257 00:12:57,130 --> 00:12:54,740 alls accidentally out of helicopter 258 00:13:00,280 --> 00:12:57,140 seriously a guy that does a five billion 259 00:13:03,340 --> 00:13:00,290 dollar fraud the country of Canada home 260 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:03,350 yeah never want his body never fight in 261 00:13:07,180 --> 00:13:05,330 our world yeah yeah 262 00:13:08,910 --> 00:13:07,190 okay I'm gonna lay this out to you 263 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:08,920 Richard we got a lot to talk about 264 00:13:17,290 --> 00:13:15,040 I'm gonna lay this out please I'm 265 00:13:20,910 --> 00:13:17,300 waiting for you to lay it out there are 266 00:13:25,750 --> 00:13:20,920 it must be laid out there are more stars 267 00:13:29,530 --> 00:13:25,760 in our universe then grains of sand on 268 00:13:35,290 --> 00:13:29,540 all of the beaches in all of the deserts 269 00:13:41,650 --> 00:13:35,300 on planet earth today each one of those 270 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:41,660 stars is thought to have a planet what 271 00:13:48,550 --> 00:13:45,410 goes through your mind I haven't been to 272 00:13:51,010 --> 00:13:48,560 the beach in ages that's what I'm 273 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:51,020 thinking that's the first thought you 274 00:13:56,170 --> 00:13:52,730 know all this sand I haven't gone to the 275 00:13:58,840 --> 00:13:56,180 beach almost all summer second thought 276 00:14:01,600 --> 00:13:58,850 that's a lot of planets that's a lot of 277 00:14:03,430 --> 00:14:01,610 people have I lost a Jimmy are you no 278 00:14:05,650 --> 00:14:03,440 I'm listening to you and that's the 279 00:14:08,860 --> 00:14:05,660 reaction you should have because you 280 00:14:10,750 --> 00:14:08,870 can't even wrap your mind around I you 281 00:14:13,540 --> 00:14:10,760 know you you're not the first person to 282 00:14:15,850 --> 00:14:13,550 say this to me that the amount of stars 283 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:15,860 is just beyond the amount of grains of 284 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:20,090 sand so that is a lot that is an 285 00:14:25,090 --> 00:14:22,490 unbelievable amount in fact it's it's 286 00:14:29,500 --> 00:14:25,100 beyond fathoming it's beyond that I 287 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:29,510 can't I can't imagine it in 1995 the 288 00:14:38,070 --> 00:14:33,410 first exoplanet was discovered 1995 men 289 00:14:41,230 --> 00:14:38,080 24 years ago and before 1995 we 290 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:41,240 postulated we thought that there may be 291 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:42,770 other planets outside of our solar 292 00:14:49,810 --> 00:14:46,850 system 1995 right and the first 293 00:14:54,010 --> 00:14:49,820 exoplanet discovered in 1995 294 00:14:56,170 --> 00:14:54,020 today with we know that there's 10,000 295 00:14:59,080 --> 00:14:56,180 you know catalogued exoplanets and we're 296 00:15:02,410 --> 00:14:59,090 finding you know a new exoplanet every 297 00:15:05,230 --> 00:15:02,420 single day one out of five stars 298 00:15:08,620 --> 00:15:05,240 that is each grain of sand on this 299 00:15:11,380 --> 00:15:08,630 planet right each grain of sand on all 300 00:15:15,430 --> 00:15:11,390 the beaches in all the deserts one out 301 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:15,440 of five grains of sand has an earth-like 302 00:15:22,780 --> 00:15:19,970 planet you know think about that's crazy 303 00:15:23,470 --> 00:15:22,790 isn't it it's just unbelievable where we 304 00:15:28,330 --> 00:15:23,480 are today 305 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:28,340 a little over 200 years ago geologists 306 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:31,610 were making the argument really for the 307 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:35,930 first time of this principle of gosh I 308 00:15:39,490 --> 00:15:37,210 wish I could remember this like 309 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:39,500 universalism in other words the 310 00:15:50,140 --> 00:15:43,610 principles of the earth and of the 311 00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:50,150 formation of you know land masses today 312 00:15:55,540 --> 00:15:53,440 is theirs it's not that there was some 313 00:15:58,570 --> 00:15:55,550 cataclysmic change it was they 314 00:16:01,150 --> 00:15:58,580 postulated that the earth has been in 315 00:16:03,190 --> 00:16:01,160 this steady state for a very very very 316 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:03,200 long time and it turned out to be 317 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:05,810 correct based on their thoughts they 318 00:16:10,270 --> 00:16:07,490 revised the age of the earth from 319 00:16:12,610 --> 00:16:10,280 several thousands of years of age to 320 00:16:14,350 --> 00:16:12,620 what was then you know thought to be an 321 00:16:17,020 --> 00:16:14,360 amazing amount of millions of years of 322 00:16:19,870 --> 00:16:17,030 aging now of course it's billions but 323 00:16:23,590 --> 00:16:19,880 the idea is that the principles that we 324 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:23,600 see around us today it might just be 325 00:16:28,780 --> 00:16:25,730 very logical to extrapolate out and 326 00:16:31,420 --> 00:16:28,790 assume that these are logical universal 327 00:16:33,700 --> 00:16:31,430 principles wherever you go and and I 328 00:16:38,820 --> 00:16:33,710 think maybe what we're starting to see 329 00:16:41,710 --> 00:16:38,830 slowly is a revolution in exoplanetary 330 00:16:43,180 --> 00:16:41,720 and the ideas of life XO life I guess 331 00:16:45,100 --> 00:16:43,190 you could say so in other words we're 332 00:16:49,270 --> 00:16:45,110 you know we're as scientists have always 333 00:16:51,100 --> 00:16:49,280 said that life on Earth is this unique 334 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:51,110 thing and it's it only happened because 335 00:16:57,550 --> 00:16:54,050 of all of these you know really rare 336 00:17:00,970 --> 00:16:57,560 unique occurrences perhaps perhaps 337 00:17:03,670 --> 00:17:00,980 that's really really incredibly wrong 338 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:03,680 perhaps we should expect 339 00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:07,370 the kinds of the you know the incredible 340 00:17:12,010 --> 00:17:09,199 amount of diversity of life that we have 341 00:17:15,610 --> 00:17:12,020 on this planet maybe it's actually not 342 00:17:16,510 --> 00:17:15,620 that outrageous to expect that there's a 343 00:17:20,020 --> 00:17:16,520 lot of it elsewhere 344 00:17:23,829 --> 00:17:20,030 and indeed other biological creatures 345 00:17:26,020 --> 00:17:23,839 that are that can live on oxygen oxygen 346 00:17:29,410 --> 00:17:26,030 nitrogen and nitrogen the way that we do 347 00:17:31,060 --> 00:17:29,420 and that you know biological creatures 348 00:17:34,210 --> 00:17:31,070 and maybe even something like mammals 349 00:17:36,610 --> 00:17:34,220 and things like reptiles after all the 350 00:17:39,700 --> 00:17:36,620 elements that comprise the universe 351 00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:39,710 seem to be universal you know hydrogen 352 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:41,510 and everything that follows it and so 353 00:17:48,610 --> 00:17:43,850 you've got the basic building blocks so 354 00:17:50,410 --> 00:17:48,620 why shouldn't life be organic at least 355 00:17:54,790 --> 00:17:50,420 in some way that would be comprehensible 356 00:17:58,690 --> 00:17:54,800 to us why shouldn't creatures be born 357 00:18:01,440 --> 00:17:58,700 grow reproduce and die and and if that's 358 00:18:05,530 --> 00:18:01,450 the case if that's actually extremely 359 00:18:08,650 --> 00:18:05,540 universal and if all of those grains of 360 00:18:12,299 --> 00:18:08,660 sand or at least one out of five of them 361 00:18:19,930 --> 00:18:12,309 or a certain percentage have life then 362 00:18:21,850 --> 00:18:19,940 well yeah we are one yeah we're just one 363 00:18:24,730 --> 00:18:21,860 and this is the other fascinating part 364 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:24,740 when we when we start to look at it with 365 00:18:31,900 --> 00:18:28,610 these glasses on is that we are truly 366 00:18:34,510 --> 00:18:31,910 you know our little grain of sand you 367 00:18:37,210 --> 00:18:34,520 know our Sun our little grain of sand in 368 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:37,220 the vastness of everything yeah I get 369 00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:40,250 that we're such a tiny small part of 370 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:43,520 everything that there is but on this 371 00:18:46,540 --> 00:18:46,010 little you know beautiful blue planet of 372 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:46,550 ours 373 00:18:54,970 --> 00:18:51,650 we have now the ability to discuss it 374 00:18:57,850 --> 00:18:54,980 that we have grown up and you and I are 375 00:18:59,919 --> 00:18:57,860 discussing the size of the universe and 376 00:19:00,730 --> 00:18:59,929 well right now like that has become 377 00:19:03,130 --> 00:19:00,740 conscious 378 00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:03,140 that's very credible that level of 379 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:04,400 understanding that we're able to turn 380 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:07,370 that thought process toward the universe 381 00:19:12,010 --> 00:19:08,809 and that is that is the incredible thing 382 00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:12,020 indeed it is aside from the fact that I 383 00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:13,760 do actually now want to go back to the 384 00:19:16,870 --> 00:19:14,960 beach since you brought this whole thing 385 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:16,880 up but you really made me think 386 00:19:23,650 --> 00:19:19,970 I was Adam I was at a beach about a year 387 00:19:26,650 --> 00:19:23,660 ago and I just remembered thinking I was 388 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:26,660 looking at the Setting Sun it was kind 389 00:19:32,890 --> 00:19:30,770 of an idyllic setting and and I did have 390 00:19:35,530 --> 00:19:32,900 that moment like you always once in a 391 00:19:38,290 --> 00:19:35,540 while have this moment of looking out at 392 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:38,300 the sky and looking beyond beyond the 393 00:19:46,090 --> 00:19:42,290 sky as it were and and knowing that in 394 00:19:48,610 --> 00:19:46,100 the direction that you look there there 395 00:19:51,250 --> 00:19:48,620 is someone out there and you know 396 00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:51,260 wondering what they are like and how 397 00:19:55,630 --> 00:19:53,440 many of them are there and so forth and 398 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:55,640 I'm glad that every now and then I can 399 00:19:59,800 --> 00:19:57,530 still get that that feeling of 400 00:20:02,080 --> 00:19:59,810 inspiration when I look up and look out 401 00:20:04,300 --> 00:20:02,090 there hopefully you know yeah and 402 00:20:07,300 --> 00:20:04,310 hopefully it never goes away I don't 403 00:20:09,670 --> 00:20:07,310 think it will for me and and or for 404 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:09,680 anybody else you know you need to you 405 00:20:13,870 --> 00:20:12,110 need to stay a kid you know you don't 406 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:13,880 you don't need to grow up you need to 407 00:20:18,490 --> 00:20:15,650 you need to keep asking questions say 408 00:20:20,620 --> 00:20:18,500 why why say why as much as you can 409 00:20:23,950 --> 00:20:20,630 absolutely that's it 410 00:20:27,790 --> 00:20:23,960 and I wanted to ask you this let's let's 411 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:27,800 go out-of-bounds a little bit today not 412 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:32,090 not necessarily in the UFO subject but 413 00:20:37,420 --> 00:20:35,450 the answer could be this is a square as 414 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:37,430 a rectangle rectangle isn't a square 415 00:20:45,060 --> 00:20:42,770 type of question what what concerns you 416 00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:45,070 most about this planet today 417 00:20:52,210 --> 00:20:49,760 what what what honestly where where do 418 00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:52,220 you spend most of your mind time with 419 00:20:58,330 --> 00:20:55,280 concern well if I'm worried if I want to 420 00:20:59,770 --> 00:20:58,340 have long term worries it's maybe not so 421 00:21:03,100 --> 00:20:59,780 much about the planet but it is about 422 00:21:05,530 --> 00:21:03,110 the human species and I guess I would 423 00:21:08,170 --> 00:21:05,540 say that I look at us as a big spike on 424 00:21:09,370 --> 00:21:08,180 the history of the planet you know the 425 00:21:11,980 --> 00:21:09,380 planets been around for four-and-a-half 426 00:21:15,940 --> 00:21:11,990 billion years and earth earth will find 427 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:15,950 a way to survive humanity like it really 428 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:20,170 well even if even if we destroy the 429 00:21:24,820 --> 00:21:23,210 world and toxified for the next period 430 00:21:26,590 --> 00:21:24,830 of time it probably won't be more than a 431 00:21:28,750 --> 00:21:26,600 million years and year it's going to be 432 00:21:32,260 --> 00:21:28,760 around for many billion of years 433 00:21:35,860 --> 00:21:32,270 after that earth will recover but the 434 00:21:38,620 --> 00:21:35,870 fate of humanity where we're not a 435 00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:38,630 stable species I mean I think anyone can 436 00:21:46,210 --> 00:21:42,799 understand that we something something 437 00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:46,220 very odd has you know best occurred to 438 00:21:52,930 --> 00:21:48,710 humanity I mean think of it this way for 439 00:21:56,350 --> 00:21:52,940 about 250,000 years as far as we can 440 00:22:00,280 --> 00:21:56,360 tell we existed as homo sapiens sapiens 441 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:00,290 as human beings just as we are mostly in 442 00:22:06,730 --> 00:22:01,970 africa and then eventually we moved out 443 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:06,740 and only in the last you know let's say 444 00:22:15,070 --> 00:22:12,110 10,000 years have we really completely 445 00:22:18,850 --> 00:22:15,080 transformed who we are so we were very 446 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:18,860 stable as a species for nearly all the 447 00:22:22,659 --> 00:22:20,690 time that we have been a species and in 448 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:22,669 the last 10,000 years we discovered a 449 00:22:27,789 --> 00:22:25,130 number of things primarily sedentary 450 00:22:29,710 --> 00:22:27,799 agriculture settled societies we 451 00:22:34,090 --> 00:22:29,720 transformed our diet we transformed the 452 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:34,100 way that we exist as a society and we 453 00:22:39,850 --> 00:22:35,890 actually transformed ourselves 454 00:22:43,980 --> 00:22:39,860 physiologically as we now know and that 455 00:22:46,510 --> 00:22:43,990 process has has led I I'd have to say 456 00:22:48,850 --> 00:22:46,520 inextricably to eventually as we 457 00:22:52,510 --> 00:22:48,860 discovered science discovered how to 458 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:52,520 harness nature and how to harness the 459 00:22:56,740 --> 00:22:55,010 elements and we we are transforming 460 00:22:59,260 --> 00:22:56,750 ourselves more and more rapidly and at 461 00:23:02,620 --> 00:22:59,270 the same time giving ourselves more and 462 00:23:05,919 --> 00:23:02,630 more power vastly more power even when 463 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:05,929 we settled into small communities a few 464 00:23:10,060 --> 00:23:07,730 thousand years ago that gave us a lot of 465 00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:10,070 power much more than other animals have 466 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:13,280 had and now it's just we're developing 467 00:23:20,289 --> 00:23:16,010 the power of what we saw in the ancient 468 00:23:22,419 --> 00:23:20,299 gods we're about to modify our genetic 469 00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,429 code we're about to create artificial 470 00:23:28,180 --> 00:23:24,320 intelligence we're about to create all 471 00:23:30,730 --> 00:23:28,190 of these completely new Sciences so I 472 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:30,740 think what's happening is that we're 473 00:23:37,539 --> 00:23:35,210 about to say goodbye to humanity as we 474 00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:37,549 have understood it and we are about to 475 00:23:42,610 --> 00:23:39,919 walk into something very very new and 476 00:23:44,049 --> 00:23:42,620 different and I'm not sure that I like 477 00:23:45,670 --> 00:23:44,059 that to be honest with you there are 478 00:23:48,820 --> 00:23:45,680 people who are gung-ho 479 00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:48,830 pedal-to-the-metal futurists I am NOT 480 00:23:52,990 --> 00:23:49,520 one of them 481 00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:53,000 I have a lot of reservations about that 482 00:24:00,220 --> 00:23:56,559 degree of rapid change and I just think 483 00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,230 this does not bode well I don't like the 484 00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,240 fact that we're looking at transforming 485 00:24:08,140 --> 00:24:04,880 our fundamental humanities so rapidly in 486 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:08,150 such a short period of time it's kind of 487 00:24:18,490 --> 00:24:16,490 a redundancy so I do I'm concerned about 488 00:24:21,490 --> 00:24:18,500 that and I just bad things are gonna 489 00:24:25,330 --> 00:24:21,500 come out of them we I look back and 490 00:24:31,090 --> 00:24:25,340 you're absolutely right and if you look 491 00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:31,100 back to I think the key year was 1995 492 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:35,809 and what happened between 1995 and the 493 00:24:42,669 --> 00:24:39,770 year 2000 was too much too quick too 494 00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:42,679 fast and we didn't know how to deal with 495 00:24:50,980 --> 00:24:45,950 it and if you think about what happened 496 00:24:52,990 --> 00:24:50,990 between 1995 and 2000 not only the way 497 00:24:57,340 --> 00:24:53,000 we really got the web during that period 498 00:25:00,520 --> 00:24:57,350 of the web is is front and center and we 499 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:00,530 didn't even know what the web was when 500 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:03,410 it kicked off and and and today it's 501 00:25:07,810 --> 00:25:05,090 everything right it's everything it's 502 00:25:10,990 --> 00:25:07,820 electricity its water it's food delivery 503 00:25:15,930 --> 00:25:11,000 it's it's GPS it's sad it's it's it's 504 00:25:18,220 --> 00:25:15,940 your watch to your house it's yeah it's 505 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:18,230 Ellen system it's it's everything it's 506 00:25:23,169 --> 00:25:20,330 everything so there's that part but you 507 00:25:26,410 --> 00:25:23,179 know what else happened between 1995 and 508 00:25:31,740 --> 00:25:26,420 2000 cell phones happened didn't have 509 00:25:35,710 --> 00:25:31,750 that before flat-screen TVs by the time 510 00:25:40,930 --> 00:25:35,720 2000 rolled around to televisions techno 511 00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:40,940 the technology that overtook us between 512 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:44,240 1995 and 2000 I made up a list one time 513 00:25:49,810 --> 00:25:46,610 it was like 30 different significant 514 00:25:52,810 --> 00:25:49,820 technical leaps and it was too much too 515 00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:52,820 fast and we just didn't by the time 2000 516 00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:56,230 world around we were a different species 517 00:26:02,490 --> 00:26:00,159 we had completely translated yeah I 518 00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,500 agree with you and it's only gone even 519 00:26:06,419 --> 00:26:04,080 faster now in the last 20 years 520 00:26:09,690 --> 00:26:06,429 protection was was almost 20 years ago 521 00:26:13,620 --> 00:26:09,700 it's incredible what I think we've seen 522 00:26:15,870 --> 00:26:13,630 now is a is that the society and 523 00:26:17,970 --> 00:26:15,880 subsequent generations have reacted to 524 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:17,980 that transformation so you've had the 525 00:26:21,659 --> 00:26:19,330 new generation of people have grown up 526 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:21,669 in that world you and I did you and I 527 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:24,490 did not grow up in that world but our 528 00:26:29,730 --> 00:26:27,370 kids you know anyone under 20 they have 529 00:26:32,250 --> 00:26:29,740 grown up in this new world and it 530 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:32,260 creates a different psychology and in 531 00:26:37,879 --> 00:26:34,570 certain ways it's a DNA change I'm 532 00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:37,889 telling you right now there's definitely 533 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:40,720 some things that were modified you know 534 00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:42,010 there's a new science they call it 535 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:44,169 epigenetics and it's it's a genuine 536 00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,330 valid science and it talks about how our 537 00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,120 genetics are and this is like Lamarck's 538 00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:51,279 Revenge if any you know anyone studied 539 00:26:56,580 --> 00:26:53,940 biological history history of biology 540 00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,590 Gustav Lamarck back in the nineteenth 541 00:27:01,409 --> 00:26:58,720 century said yeah you know evolution 542 00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:01,419 happens because I think the example was 543 00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:03,340 the giraffe is trying to reach those 544 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:05,100 tall leaves and got a long neck and 545 00:27:09,330 --> 00:27:07,690 later biologists would laugh at that 546 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:09,340 miss and that's silly it's only on 547 00:27:14,730 --> 00:27:12,490 genetic mutation and the mutations at 548 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:14,740 work are the ones that survive but what 549 00:27:18,899 --> 00:27:16,690 we now our understanding is that no 550 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:18,909 actually Lamarck had a fundamentally 551 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:22,570 correct point and that we are deeply 552 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:24,850 affected genetically by the environment 553 00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:28,210 around us and so when you look at it 554 00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:30,460 that way you can see we've transformed 555 00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:35,940 our environment so dramatically even 556 00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:38,529 even by human standards which has always 557 00:27:43,289 --> 00:27:41,260 been a lot just in the last 20 years so 558 00:27:43,769 --> 00:27:43,299 it's doing things and we are changing 559 00:27:46,259 --> 00:27:43,779 ourselves 560 00:27:48,509 --> 00:27:46,269 have you seen kids have you seen kids a 561 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:48,519 15 year old have you seen a 15 year old 562 00:27:57,570 --> 00:27:51,490 text on a smartphone you tell me that 563 00:28:00,210 --> 00:27:57,580 that's not genetic modification right 564 00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:00,220 it sounds like an Uzi on steroids 565 00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:01,929 there's no quicker way to make me feel 566 00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:07,929 old and to watch a teenager text I'm 567 00:28:10,820 --> 00:28:08,640 very high 568 00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:10,830 be with I'm just gonna say this I know 569 00:28:15,049 --> 00:28:13,140 we're gonna jump into UFOs one of the 570 00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,059 very important things that I do in my 571 00:28:19,580 --> 00:28:17,760 life and Tracy and I are very are 572 00:28:22,460 --> 00:28:19,590 usually really good about this is we 573 00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:22,470 unplug after a certain time of day and 574 00:28:29,660 --> 00:28:25,799 it frustrates some of our friends but 575 00:28:33,140 --> 00:28:29,670 for me I have to tell you I firmly 576 00:28:36,770 --> 00:28:33,150 believe that being plugged in it's not 577 00:28:39,530 --> 00:28:36,780 simply unhealthy for us psychologically 578 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:39,540 but I actually think it makes us just 579 00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:41,010 brace yourself I think it makes us less 580 00:28:45,710 --> 00:28:41,760 intelligent 581 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:45,720 I think the way our minds work what is 582 00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:48,570 what is intelligence but well partly the 583 00:28:54,140 --> 00:28:52,320 ability to focus concentrate on 584 00:28:56,180 --> 00:28:54,150 something for an extended period of time 585 00:28:57,860 --> 00:28:56,190 without dealing with interruptions so 586 00:28:59,630 --> 00:28:57,870 you push out other things and you 587 00:29:01,580 --> 00:28:59,640 problem-solve and you create and you do 588 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:01,590 whatever but you have to do that in some 589 00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:03,690 kind of isolation and the problem with 590 00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:05,640 the connectivity of the world that we 591 00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:07,980 have today one of the problems is that 592 00:29:12,620 --> 00:29:10,500 we're constantly being bombarded ding 593 00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:12,630 ding notification here and email there 594 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:15,630 and message here and so you you really 595 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:18,330 don't it's very hard for a lot of people 596 00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:21,510 to get into that zone of creation or 597 00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:24,600 that zone of problem-solving and it's 598 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:25,919 going to get worse not better you know 599 00:29:28,820 --> 00:29:27,330 when people want their little cognitive 600 00:29:30,650 --> 00:29:28,830 implants to connect themselves to the 601 00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:30,660 cloud or the web they'll have a little 602 00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:31,980 it's like putting your cell phone in 603 00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:34,620 your brain but what I like to do is I 604 00:29:40,580 --> 00:29:37,860 need to keep it out and this is how we 605 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:40,590 are as human beings were designed we're 606 00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:42,530 not designed to be interrupted by 607 00:29:48,620 --> 00:29:46,020 facebook notifications every two minutes 608 00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,630 we are designed actually to be able we 609 00:29:53,169 --> 00:29:50,640 have to be able to unplug I think for 610 00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:53,179 our psychological health and for our 611 00:30:00,380 --> 00:29:57,600 intellectual capabilities so for me when 612 00:30:02,270 --> 00:30:00,390 I see these not just young people but 613 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:02,280 anyone like people just glued to their 614 00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:03,450 phone looking at their phone all the 615 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:07,679 time it's addictive and it's very you 616 00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:11,250 know it's seductive but man it's like it 617 00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:13,620 is very much like a drug which is also 618 00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:16,320 seductive and addictive and also can 619 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:18,559 damage you in the long term so for me 620 00:30:22,490 --> 00:30:22,050 you know the big challenge of my life is 621 00:30:29,420 --> 00:30:22,500 to 622 00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:29,430 I'm a public person and I have a message 623 00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,600 that I put out to the world 624 00:30:36,290 --> 00:30:32,640 and I need to use that technology but I 625 00:30:39,410 --> 00:30:36,300 got I have to continue to find a way not 626 00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:39,420 to be owned by that technology it's it's 627 00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:40,980 not healthy and I don't want it I don't 628 00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,140 want to live a life like that No and we 629 00:30:50,030 --> 00:30:44,880 need to take a break right here but the 630 00:30:53,630 --> 00:30:50,040 the brain needs exercise and getting 631 00:30:56,270 --> 00:30:53,640 your answers from Google instead of 632 00:30:59,900 --> 00:30:56,280 thinking about it right oh now your 633 00:31:01,910 --> 00:30:59,910 brain isn't working anymore and that it 634 00:31:04,460 --> 00:31:01,920 needs its exercise it needs its 635 00:31:06,860 --> 00:31:04,470 treadmill it does it needs its treadmill 636 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:06,870 oh I got a treadmill by the way at the 637 00:31:12,350 --> 00:31:09,930 necesitan that thing is Satan Reid is 638 00:31:14,180 --> 00:31:12,360 doing good me not so much this is fade 639 00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,190 to black I am your host Jimmy Church I 640 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:16,320 guess tonight Richard Dolan we're gonna 641 00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:18,330 take a quick break and when we come back 642 00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:19,620 you know what it is 643 00:31:23,570 --> 00:31:22,860 it's UFOs we'll be right back stay with 644 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:23,580 us 645 00:31:47,070 --> 00:31:45,970 welcome back fade to black I'm your host 646 00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:47,080 Jimmy Church you can follow me on 647 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:49,510 Twitter at JDI you can follow 648 00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:52,210 richard at rich dolan right there on 649 00:31:58,530 --> 00:31:55,600 twitter the links are up and open 650 00:32:01,380 --> 00:31:58,540 conversation tonight and you know what 651 00:32:03,030 --> 00:32:01,390 it's been a couple of months richard 652 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:03,040 since you and I last spoke I don't know 653 00:32:08,540 --> 00:32:05,050 if it was on coast to coast or here on 654 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:08,550 fade to black but nonetheless lots of 655 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:11,290 craziness that has gone down over the 656 00:32:15,270 --> 00:32:13,210 last couple of months and I want to go 657 00:32:17,610 --> 00:32:15,280 down through the headlines and get where 658 00:32:21,510 --> 00:32:17,620 your head is at on this and your 659 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:21,520 research and I want to start here 660 00:32:27,690 --> 00:32:24,130 John greenwalt of the black vault back 661 00:32:30,570 --> 00:32:27,700 on September 10th and 11th released a 662 00:32:33,870 --> 00:32:30,580 couple of articles I took him over the 663 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:33,880 coast to coast and that Saturday which 664 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:36,370 was the 14th and broke the news there on 665 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:38,650 Monday all hell broke loose with the 666 00:32:46,140 --> 00:32:41,410 mainstream media and this of course was 667 00:32:50,790 --> 00:32:46,150 the Navy acknowledging you ap's were in 668 00:32:54,780 --> 00:32:50,800 those three videos picked up worldwide 669 00:32:58,110 --> 00:32:54,790 and it it was a pretty amazing to watch 670 00:33:01,170 --> 00:32:58,120 now what was your first thoughts as you 671 00:33:04,410 --> 00:33:01,180 start to see this story break I was very 672 00:33:07,020 --> 00:33:04,420 pleased and really proud that John 673 00:33:08,850 --> 00:33:07,030 Greenwald made that scoop I've known 674 00:33:11,220 --> 00:33:08,860 John a long time and I've always had a 675 00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:11,230 very high level of respect for him and I 676 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:13,630 just think this is a great victory by 677 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:16,690 him for those of us who care about the 678 00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:20,170 truth and John you know to his credit he 679 00:33:31,230 --> 00:33:24,940 he was very open about his own reaction 680 00:33:33,090 --> 00:33:31,240 to what the Navy acknowledged and he you 681 00:33:35,910 --> 00:33:33,100 know said something like I was expecting 682 00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:35,920 them to use language like calling these 683 00:33:38,970 --> 00:33:37,390 drones or balloons and whatnot and he 684 00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:38,980 said they didn't do that they went on 685 00:33:42,450 --> 00:33:41,200 the record calling this phenomena and 686 00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:42,460 saying that they were unknown or 687 00:33:47,730 --> 00:33:46,240 unidentified and he he stated that he 688 00:33:49,950 --> 00:33:47,740 was genuinely surprised and excited 689 00:33:53,850 --> 00:33:49,960 about it and I was just glad to see that 690 00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:53,860 reaction as well by John for me you know 691 00:34:00,029 --> 00:33:56,320 getting that piece of confer 692 00:34:03,419 --> 00:34:00,039 by the Navy it's really a situation of 693 00:34:07,889 --> 00:34:03,429 the other shoe dropping I mean I think 694 00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:07,899 most folks have been working under the 695 00:34:18,059 --> 00:34:12,899 assumption since December 2017 all right 696 00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:18,069 that those videos are genuine US Navy 697 00:34:24,690 --> 00:34:22,990 videos now the New York Times you know 698 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:24,700 is the one that that came out with that 699 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:27,010 statement initially and the New York 700 00:34:32,309 --> 00:34:29,290 Times is not always a truthful 701 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:32,319 publication but they are always the 702 00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:35,050 voice of the establishment and when they 703 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:37,720 come out with something you do want to 704 00:34:43,169 --> 00:34:39,810 pay attention and find out what they're 705 00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:43,179 you know what's going on there over the 706 00:34:51,809 --> 00:34:48,310 last two years since then it seems to me 707 00:34:54,510 --> 00:34:51,819 that the smart money has always been on 708 00:34:58,319 --> 00:34:54,520 the fact that these videos are legit but 709 00:35:00,569 --> 00:34:58,329 it is definitely a an important moment 710 00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:00,579 when the US Navy acknowledges them and 711 00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:03,780 acknowledges them as unidentified 712 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:05,950 phenomena that they just don't know what 713 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:08,050 they are so really you're getting this 714 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:11,609 confirmation in a roundabout way of the 715 00:35:17,819 --> 00:35:15,250 really what even happened in November 716 00:35:19,530 --> 00:35:17,829 2004 with the US Navy's tick-tack UFO 717 00:35:23,370 --> 00:35:19,540 encounter I mean for the record the Navy 718 00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:23,380 hasn't explicitly talked about that and 719 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:25,420 countered the way I mean people like 720 00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:29,530 david flavor have and kevin day have you 721 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:31,150 know Navy personnel have talked about it 722 00:35:35,819 --> 00:35:32,890 but the Navy as an institution hasn't 723 00:35:37,290 --> 00:35:35,829 but they've got at least a significant 724 00:35:41,819 --> 00:35:37,300 step toward that by acknowledging these 725 00:35:43,260 --> 00:35:41,829 videos as legit and as on known or 726 00:35:47,849 --> 00:35:43,270 unidentified so I think that's very 727 00:35:51,329 --> 00:35:47,859 important the impact overall it is it is 728 00:35:54,990 --> 00:35:51,339 a smoking gun status is it elevated to 729 00:35:59,370 --> 00:35:55,000 that level to have the Navy say 730 00:36:01,559 --> 00:35:59,380 something like UAP well they've been 731 00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:01,569 very explicit about saying we're not 732 00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,910 saying it's aliens so they've gone they 733 00:36:07,650 --> 00:36:05,680 bent over backwards to say we're not 734 00:36:10,089 --> 00:36:07,660 talking about aliens necessarily of 735 00:36:11,739 --> 00:36:10,099 course they're not offering any idea 736 00:36:14,650 --> 00:36:11,749 as to what these things could be either 737 00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:14,660 so there's that I think the reaction 738 00:36:20,499 --> 00:36:17,599 time for all of these is it's never 739 00:36:24,999 --> 00:36:20,509 going to be immediate it's not going to 740 00:36:28,359 --> 00:36:25,009 be immediate you know when I co-authored 741 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:28,369 ad after disclosure about a decade ago 742 00:36:33,339 --> 00:36:31,729 actually and you know when we were when 743 00:36:36,130 --> 00:36:33,349 when Bryce is able and I were writing 744 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:36,140 that book we were envisioning how how a 745 00:36:41,979 --> 00:36:38,690 disclosure might happened and I think 746 00:36:44,799 --> 00:36:41,989 that we like most people had this idea 747 00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:44,809 that a disclosure could happen with like 748 00:36:50,349 --> 00:36:47,470 a significant announcement a significant 749 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:50,359 truth bomb being dropped as it were and 750 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:53,690 changing things overnight and I think 751 00:36:57,999 --> 00:36:56,930 that's actually what's not happening now 752 00:36:59,469 --> 00:36:58,009 there are other things we wrote about 753 00:37:02,140 --> 00:36:59,479 that I think actually we're really on 754 00:37:04,650 --> 00:37:02,150 point but but this this is a significant 755 00:37:09,390 --> 00:37:04,660 thing that we're seeing which is that 756 00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:09,400 the public does not uniformly react 757 00:37:16,569 --> 00:37:12,710 immediately to all of this news but it 758 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:16,579 is having shockwaves so we are seeing an 759 00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:21,170 effect when you you know when you look 760 00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:24,079 at everything preceding this Navy 761 00:37:29,859 --> 00:37:27,440 announcement right you can see how the 762 00:37:32,709 --> 00:37:29,869 the corporate established the power 763 00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:32,719 media as it were everyone from CNN to 764 00:37:38,940 --> 00:37:35,569 MSNBC to Fox and the New York Times and 765 00:37:41,140 --> 00:37:38,950 the rest their take on UFOs has 766 00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:41,150 dramatically changed over the last two 767 00:37:47,289 --> 00:37:44,180 years so they don't instinctively 768 00:37:48,910 --> 00:37:47,299 snarkily laugh them off usually there's 769 00:37:52,089 --> 00:37:48,920 still some bad journalism out there for 770 00:37:53,799 --> 00:37:52,099 sure that they're definitely handling 771 00:37:56,650 --> 00:37:53,809 the subject differently but it's it's 772 00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,660 not overnight it's not overnight and I 773 00:38:02,979 --> 00:37:58,640 think with this Navy announcement this 774 00:38:06,819 --> 00:38:02,989 Navy recognition I think it will you 775 00:38:09,940 --> 00:38:06,829 know it'll be another movement but it I 776 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:09,950 don't think we should yet expect this 777 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:12,650 overnight everyone being on the same 778 00:38:17,019 --> 00:38:15,890 page with it opinions some opinions on 779 00:38:19,569 --> 00:38:17,029 this are going to be very very 780 00:38:21,069 --> 00:38:19,579 entrenched for a long time and I think 781 00:38:22,970 --> 00:38:21,079 for some people they'll never change 782 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:22,980 their opinions no matter how much 783 00:38:30,020 --> 00:38:25,970 evidence might be presented to them so 784 00:38:33,339 --> 00:38:30,030 it'll be by degrees and until there is 785 00:38:36,109 --> 00:38:33,349 an actual official announcement from a 786 00:38:38,420 --> 00:38:36,119 major political institution and at this 787 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:38,430 point I don't even know what political 788 00:38:46,819 --> 00:38:42,650 person or institution would have enough 789 00:38:48,849 --> 00:38:46,829 status to be able to convince the world 790 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:48,859 of this certainly not president Trump 791 00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,970 could you imagine if he were to give a 792 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:52,800 disclosure statement half the country 793 00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,810 automatically wouldn't would not believe 794 00:38:58,609 --> 00:38:57,119 him and you know any other world leader 795 00:39:00,940 --> 00:38:58,619 I don't know if they would easily be 796 00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:00,950 believed we're at that kind of a point 797 00:39:05,810 --> 00:39:03,359 so I think this is going to take a 798 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:05,820 longer time than many of us have 799 00:39:13,329 --> 00:39:08,130 realized but that the other side of it 800 00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:13,339 is this each new revelation is prompting 801 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:17,369 more questions and more pressure that 802 00:39:21,849 --> 00:39:18,810 you can definitely see that there's a 803 00:39:25,420 --> 00:39:21,859 traction happening here and there's a 804 00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:25,430 kind of a feedback that's now happening 805 00:39:30,349 --> 00:39:27,960 so that all of these revelations are 806 00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:30,359 prompting more and more people to pry a 807 00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:32,460 little bit more information out and the 808 00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:35,310 last thing I guess I would just say is a 809 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:37,950 great deal of this really the lion's 810 00:39:44,180 --> 00:39:40,530 share of this has to code go down to T 811 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:44,190 TSA and I mean I know they have their 812 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:45,450 detractors and they've got their 813 00:39:50,540 --> 00:39:47,250 supporters with a lot of detractors but 814 00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:50,550 I I can't even imagine like that we 815 00:39:54,849 --> 00:39:52,980 would be anywhere near where we are 816 00:39:57,050 --> 00:39:54,859 without the efforts of that group that 817 00:39:59,089 --> 00:39:57,060 organization and I just think that has 818 00:40:01,220 --> 00:39:59,099 to be acknowledged yeah well there's 819 00:40:02,990 --> 00:40:01,230 there's that side of it the the other 820 00:40:08,180 --> 00:40:03,000 part of it now I want to move on we have 821 00:40:09,890 --> 00:40:08,190 so much to discuss tonight but the it's 822 00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:09,900 it's really funny 823 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:13,020 irony is a strange word right and you 824 00:40:21,230 --> 00:40:17,130 need to be careful of avoiding irony 825 00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:21,240 when you can because in this case you 826 00:40:26,660 --> 00:40:24,960 know Greenwald looking into T TSA as we 827 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:26,670 all know he's been doing that for a 828 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:31,650 couple of years accidentally backed over 829 00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:33,930 this right he's backing up his car and 830 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:36,839 he runs over the US Navy with this you 831 00:40:45,259 --> 00:40:41,450 B's story and and that's that's about as 832 00:40:50,089 --> 00:40:45,269 ironic of a situation as you can have in 833 00:40:53,089 --> 00:40:50,099 that it wasn't TTS a that got the Navy 834 00:40:55,549 --> 00:40:53,099 to disclose this it wasn't Elizondo that 835 00:40:59,660 --> 00:40:55,559 got the Navy to do this it was John 836 00:41:02,299 --> 00:40:59,670 Greenwald looking into T TSA that got 837 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:02,309 the Navy to do this and that's the part 838 00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:08,130 about this whole thing that I think was 839 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:09,660 the other way sure go ahead 840 00:41:15,489 --> 00:41:12,210 this is John wanting you know John has 841 00:41:19,309 --> 00:41:15,499 been extremely critical of T TSA and 842 00:41:21,859 --> 00:41:19,319 really you know in inferring that 843 00:41:24,769 --> 00:41:21,869 they're disinformation I outfit and 844 00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:24,779 things of this particular sword and but 845 00:41:29,329 --> 00:41:26,700 in fact by getting this acknowledgement 846 00:41:31,849 --> 00:41:29,339 from the Navy I would I think one could 847 00:41:37,729 --> 00:41:31,859 at least argue provides a level of 848 00:41:42,170 --> 00:41:37,739 support no I'm agreeing with you yes 849 00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:44,200 but as I say to his credit like John 850 00:41:49,219 --> 00:41:46,200 John's a good guy and he's a great 851 00:41:51,709 --> 00:41:49,229 researcher and he's got integrity and I 852 00:41:53,150 --> 00:41:51,719 haven't really agreed with everything 853 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:53,160 that he's said about them up till now 854 00:41:58,459 --> 00:41:55,170 but that doesn't stop me from respecting 855 00:42:00,319 --> 00:41:58,469 him and I just thought very well of him 856 00:42:07,009 --> 00:42:00,329 when I read his statement yeah there you 857 00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:07,019 go all right now storm area51 storm area 858 00:42:12,739 --> 00:42:10,529 51 and practice you're not Ruto style 859 00:42:20,799 --> 00:42:12,749 running i did you didn't see me on the 860 00:42:23,490 --> 00:42:20,809 video on my treadmill on my treadmill 861 00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:23,500 going back 862 00:42:28,799 --> 00:42:26,319 I'm gonna get a bunch of your your 863 00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:28,809 thoughts on this let's go back two weeks 864 00:42:32,279 --> 00:42:30,910 ago just just two weeks ago simple two 865 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:32,289 weeks ago 866 00:42:38,220 --> 00:42:36,490 did you ever contemplate going to to 867 00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:38,230 maybe check it out or did you think it 868 00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:40,150 was just a bad idea from the word go 869 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:43,839 I never contemplated to go no I mean I 870 00:42:47,490 --> 00:42:45,130 had other things to do I was in Toronto 871 00:42:51,539 --> 00:42:47,500 with Tracey this weekend we did a event 872 00:42:53,609 --> 00:42:51,549 there a significant event that mufon 873 00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,619 Canada has organized for a number of 874 00:43:00,690 --> 00:42:55,359 years and we just did that that's the 875 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:00,700 alien cosmic Expo ace which you know 876 00:43:04,650 --> 00:43:02,890 it's close to where we live and the 877 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:04,660 exact same weekend so there was really 878 00:43:15,140 --> 00:43:06,130 never a chance that I was going to do 879 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:19,640 there's no way I would I would ever even 880 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:24,730 contemplate going to it putting on in 881 00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:26,650 the event how many people actually went 882 00:43:32,430 --> 00:43:29,049 there okay see that's where I was going 883 00:43:34,529 --> 00:43:32,440 next this is the the interesting part 884 00:43:36,809 --> 00:43:34,539 right we had three million people you 885 00:43:38,549 --> 00:43:36,819 know confirm on Facebook you know 886 00:43:40,529 --> 00:43:38,559 whatever you know it's three million 887 00:43:43,460 --> 00:43:40,539 people how many what percentage of that 888 00:43:48,990 --> 00:43:43,470 would actually show up well it turns out 889 00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:49,000 in Rachel Nevada home of the alien they 890 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:51,430 had alien stock and they had between two 891 00:43:57,559 --> 00:43:53,890 and three thousand people show up for a 892 00:44:00,480 --> 00:43:57,569 three-day music event fantastic cool 893 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:00,490 text from Jeremy Korbel earlier today 894 00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,210 and he said close to 3,000 people I was 895 00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:06,400 very surprised so I just wanted to make 896 00:44:12,930 --> 00:44:08,049 sure I haven't haven't talked to Jeremy 897 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:12,940 know his even know his event got 898 00:44:22,589 --> 00:44:20,650 canceled he canceled but no no three 899 00:44:27,210 --> 00:44:22,599 thousand people showed up and Rachel his 900 00:44:30,029 --> 00:44:27,220 event the first night on Friday had a 901 00:44:32,910 --> 00:44:30,039 couple of dozen people and then they 902 00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,920 cancelled it altogether the next day so 903 00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:34,720 they shut and they he shut his thing 904 00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,119 down Rachel had 3,000 people that's 905 00:44:43,260 --> 00:44:40,000 folks will man that's a lot of folks for 906 00:44:48,539 --> 00:44:43,270 Rachel Nevada it's a music event it was 907 00:44:52,109 --> 00:44:48,549 three days of music yep yep and now the 908 00:44:55,230 --> 00:44:52,119 the people when you go for three days of 909 00:44:58,650 --> 00:44:55,240 music and Rachel Nevada is that a fun 910 00:45:02,010 --> 00:44:58,660 thing to do I have I might go next year 911 00:45:06,029 --> 00:45:02,020 next year that's it next year you Tracy 912 00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:06,039 Rita and I let's go to Rachel that's on 913 00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:15,660 that yeah Tracy they have really nice 914 00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:17,920 accommodations and Rachel's you won't be 915 00:45:25,859 --> 00:45:22,329 disappointed they have a day spa there 916 00:45:26,690 --> 00:45:25,869 Tracy you'll love it okay I'll let her 917 00:45:30,990 --> 00:45:26,700 know 918 00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:31,000 see the thing the thing for me that I 919 00:45:38,549 --> 00:45:34,240 was most concerned about is that you're 920 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:38,559 gonna have that the possibility of 921 00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:43,450 having an influx of maybe thousands that 922 00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:47,230 are actually there to storm those gates 923 00:45:52,650 --> 00:45:49,510 go across the desert get to the back 924 00:45:55,380 --> 00:45:52,660 gate storm the gates and get into a lot 925 00:45:57,210 --> 00:45:55,390 of trouble that's the part that I was 926 00:46:00,569 --> 00:45:57,220 really freaking out on I didn't want 927 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:00,579 anybody this is not America no one in 928 00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:03,010 this country very few people I guess I 929 00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:04,569 should say are capable of doing that 930 00:46:11,460 --> 00:46:06,430 this isn't the pioneer days anymore 931 00:46:15,029 --> 00:46:11,470 wasn't 1880 shape and able to deal with 932 00:46:17,490 --> 00:46:15,039 the elements like seriously I know those 933 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:17,500 days are gone you know a couple of kids 934 00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:19,210 you know a couple of thousand kids with 935 00:46:27,089 --> 00:46:22,329 juice boxes you know you know heading 936 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:27,099 across the desert it's sad to say yeah 937 00:46:33,269 --> 00:46:30,250 if this were a different era you might 938 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:33,279 wonder about it seriously America today 939 00:46:36,329 --> 00:46:34,450 not happening 940 00:46:37,859 --> 00:46:36,339 now like all knew it was not going to 941 00:46:40,770 --> 00:46:37,869 happen no one was going to storm 942 00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:40,780 anything did the 943 00:46:48,330 --> 00:46:45,760 exposure that area51 got from the mass 944 00:46:51,570 --> 00:46:48,340 media and you know three million people 945 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:51,580 clicking on that does that lift the 946 00:46:56,670 --> 00:46:53,650 awareness though and allow people to 947 00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:56,680 start asking questions about area 51 is 948 00:47:04,200 --> 00:46:59,200 that the positive side of this I think I 949 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:04,210 think it's the sign that that the UFO 950 00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:06,850 subject is it's a significant subject 951 00:47:12,180 --> 00:47:10,000 and you can look at it a couple of ways 952 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:12,190 you can look at it as you know this 953 00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,010 subject really because of the web 954 00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:17,440 because of the last 25 years of our 955 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:21,040 ability to communicate in this manner it 956 00:47:26,550 --> 00:47:23,890 has lifted the UFO subject to a very 957 00:47:29,090 --> 00:47:26,560 high level of consciousness so that you 958 00:47:31,860 --> 00:47:29,100 can have three million people or so 959 00:47:32,310 --> 00:47:31,870 clicking and interest in going to area 960 00:47:37,170 --> 00:47:32,320 51 961 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:37,180 yeah and perhaps it is it is helped to 962 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:39,490 raise some consciousness as a result as 963 00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:42,010 well but what you can definitely see 964 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:45,640 excuse me is that the UFO subject in 965 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:50,050 terms of global media is this is good 966 00:47:54,780 --> 00:47:52,930 and bad is basically just another brand 967 00:47:59,840 --> 00:47:54,790 it's another brand it's another product 968 00:48:04,200 --> 00:47:59,850 in other words it's it's a legitimate 969 00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:04,210 product that people around the world are 970 00:48:09,450 --> 00:48:06,310 interested in like a whole bunch of 971 00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:09,460 other products both physical and 972 00:48:14,910 --> 00:48:12,910 intellectual the UFO subject is is a 973 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:14,920 serious significant subject that's why 974 00:48:21,330 --> 00:48:16,810 we see it everywhere in our popular 975 00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:21,340 culture seldom handled well by Hollywood 976 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:25,510 but it's it's all around us anyway so I 977 00:48:31,290 --> 00:48:28,290 think that's a significant thing like 978 00:48:33,090 --> 00:48:31,300 you know if you remember back in 2008 979 00:48:36,930 --> 00:48:33,100 when US presidential candidate Dennis 980 00:48:39,090 --> 00:48:36,940 Kucinich had his candidacy ruined mm-hmm 981 00:48:41,340 --> 00:48:39,100 by the fact that it came out that he had 982 00:48:43,890 --> 00:48:41,350 witnessed a UFO with two other people no 983 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:43,900 less back in the 1980s those two other 984 00:48:47,730 --> 00:48:46,450 people who also came out in 2008 and 985 00:48:49,860 --> 00:48:47,740 said oh yeah we were there and we saw 986 00:48:52,140 --> 00:48:49,870 the same thing didn't matter to destroy 987 00:48:55,009 --> 00:48:52,150 this presidential run and we go from 988 00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,019 that to eight years later 989 00:49:00,019 --> 00:48:56,880 Hilary Clinton being on the Jimmy Kimmel 990 00:49:02,210 --> 00:49:00,029 show talking about UFOs getting coverage 991 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:02,220 in the New York Times about UFOs and not 992 00:49:08,420 --> 00:49:05,249 getting you know getting destroyed by it 993 00:49:10,999 --> 00:49:08,430 not at all so within less than a decade 994 00:49:12,380 --> 00:49:11,009 in the United States the UFO subject 995 00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:12,390 went through a kind of cultural 996 00:49:19,489 --> 00:49:15,480 transformation I got that really as it 997 00:49:23,029 --> 00:49:19,499 has happened so well let me jump in if 998 00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,039 you remember if you remember the look on 999 00:49:27,620 --> 00:49:25,200 Dennis Kucinich his face at that moment 1000 00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:27,630 the way that the other candidates in 1001 00:49:34,269 --> 00:49:30,660 that debate jumped on this like a 1002 00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:34,279 feeding frenzy they smelled blood 1003 00:49:38,779 --> 00:49:36,720 absolutely destroyed them at that moment 1004 00:49:42,380 --> 00:49:38,789 and and today it's not that kind of 1005 00:49:44,839 --> 00:49:42,390 party the the last two months Richard if 1006 00:49:49,339 --> 00:49:44,849 we go back to months ago we've got the 1007 00:49:51,799 --> 00:49:49,349 Davis Wilson Doc's right we've got the 1008 00:49:55,849 --> 00:49:51,809 Senate and in capitol hill getting 1009 00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:55,859 briefed on the subject of you ApS you've 1010 00:50:02,660 --> 00:49:59,700 got Tucker Carlson and President Trump 1011 00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:02,670 you've got the area 51 event you've got 1012 00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:04,920 the recent revelations with John 1013 00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:07,849 Greenwald in the US Navy 1014 00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,099 Tucker Carlson Louisa Elizondo statement 1015 00:50:15,859 --> 00:50:12,960 from May 31st of this year where 1016 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:15,869 Elizondo actually acknowledged the 1017 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:18,690 recovery of crash UFOs at the very end 1018 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:20,450 of that interview that was astonishing 1019 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:23,690 anything else yeah it is been a 1020 00:50:30,979 --> 00:50:28,650 whirlwind and it doesn't seem to me now 1021 00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:30,989 I'm not going down a rabbit hole 1022 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:35,400 completely but the area 51 event came 1023 00:50:42,170 --> 00:50:38,249 out of nowhere right in the middle of 1024 00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:42,180 all of this other stuff and I just 1025 00:50:45,019 --> 00:50:43,710 stepped back in the government you know 1026 00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:45,029 what it could have been any other month 1027 00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,220 could have been any other year but it 1028 00:50:53,299 --> 00:50:49,440 was now when everything else is 1029 00:50:56,059 --> 00:50:53,309 happening at the same time is is that is 1030 00:50:57,890 --> 00:50:56,069 that coincidence I'm not so sure 1031 00:51:00,859 --> 00:50:57,900 everything is happening at the same 1032 00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:00,869 thing speculation I don't think that 1033 00:51:06,110 --> 00:51:03,900 it's by design I don't think that it was 1034 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:06,120 this kid was I think Maddie Roberts I 1035 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:08,570 think his name was I never got the 1036 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:10,410 reason to think that he was doing 1037 00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:14,210 anything other than just having some fun 1038 00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:16,740 no I mean look we're at a point in our I 1039 00:51:20,450 --> 00:51:18,510 think it's a cultural phenomenon and 1040 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:20,460 that just happened to have happened to 1041 00:51:30,110 --> 00:51:26,130 happen and you know where our social 1042 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:30,120 media is has primed us to respond in 1043 00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:33,210 this kind of manic form to all kinds of 1044 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:35,220 things you know we got the so-called 1045 00:51:40,460 --> 00:51:37,770 outrage mobs and the and everything else 1046 00:51:43,010 --> 00:51:40,470 that's going on where people just kind 1047 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:43,020 of flame up instantly over all these 1048 00:51:48,050 --> 00:51:44,970 kinds of issues and in a sense what you 1049 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:48,060 can see with the area 51 the storm area 1050 00:51:53,410 --> 00:51:50,850 51 thing is a similar aspect of that 1051 00:51:56,290 --> 00:51:53,420 phenomenon where through social media 1052 00:52:00,590 --> 00:51:56,300 you have this kind of instant 1053 00:52:02,860 --> 00:52:00,600 acceleration of ideas and instant 1054 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:02,870 acceleration of emotions as well and 1055 00:52:09,830 --> 00:52:06,330 it's just I think just went viral at the 1056 00:52:14,090 --> 00:52:09,840 right time yeah yeah and the whole flash 1057 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:14,100 mob phenomenon that's the aspect you 1058 00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:15,930 because you just don't know right you 1059 00:52:20,540 --> 00:52:17,940 don't know until the moment that it 1060 00:52:23,660 --> 00:52:20,550 happens and that's the part of the storm 1061 00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:23,670 area51 event for me where I was a little 1062 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:26,700 bit uneasy I mean what if three million 1063 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:29,810 people showed up and Rachel Nevada 1064 00:52:35,330 --> 00:52:33,090 in in our book ad after disclosure I 1065 00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,340 mean we wrote this ten years ago one of 1066 00:52:40,220 --> 00:52:37,440 the things that I remembered speculating 1067 00:52:45,140 --> 00:52:40,230 about and we got it into the book was in 1068 00:52:46,820 --> 00:52:45,150 a disclosure type of scenario you know 1069 00:52:50,540 --> 00:52:46,830 we were this was in the aftermath of the 1070 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:50,550 Occupy movement in the revised edition 1071 00:52:55,100 --> 00:52:52,530 of the book after occupy came out I 1072 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:55,110 thought you know wouldn't there be the 1073 00:52:59,210 --> 00:52:56,490 possibility of people getting really 1074 00:53:02,060 --> 00:52:59,220 worked up and and saying let's occupy 1075 00:53:03,710 --> 00:53:02,070 area 51 or occupy wright-patterson Air 1076 00:53:06,770 --> 00:53:03,720 Force Base so we actually thought about 1077 00:53:10,910 --> 00:53:06,780 this as a possibility nearly a decade 1078 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:10,920 ago and so when this was kind of in the 1079 00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:14,610 works this summer I actively thought 1080 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:17,310 about that but I really have never 1081 00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:18,930 never thought that this would ever 1082 00:53:26,890 --> 00:53:22,710 amount to anything should we organize 1083 00:53:31,940 --> 00:53:26,900 talk to Tracy about this should we do a 1084 00:53:35,390 --> 00:53:31,950 UFO disclosure occupy event at the 1085 00:53:38,420 --> 00:53:35,400 Lincoln Memorial Capitol Hill it's an 1086 00:53:40,100 --> 00:53:38,430 interesting question um you know we 1087 00:53:42,260 --> 00:53:40,110 there have been attempts to do this 1088 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:42,270 before I mean you've got all the press 1089 00:53:46,220 --> 00:53:43,770 conferences that happen in the first 1090 00:53:49,070 --> 00:53:46,230 decade and more of the 20th first 1091 00:53:51,410 --> 00:53:49,080 century even back in the 90s there was a 1092 00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:51,420 little-known protest group called 1093 00:53:57,590 --> 00:53:55,040 Operation right - no they were a UFO 1094 00:53:59,840 --> 00:53:57,600 disclosure group that picketed outside 1095 00:54:01,400 --> 00:53:59,850 the White House I remember the t-shirts 1096 00:54:08,510 --> 00:54:01,410 I remember the t-shirts I remember that 1097 00:54:09,980 --> 00:54:08,520 they actually had protest signs I don't 1098 00:54:11,450 --> 00:54:09,990 have any there were but they had some 1099 00:54:13,850 --> 00:54:11,460 pictures taken they were in the MUFON 1100 00:54:16,990 --> 00:54:13,860 Journal and it's something like that 1101 00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:19,760 man it would you'd really want to make 1102 00:54:29,930 --> 00:54:25,710 sure it it's done with some rationality 1103 00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:29,940 I would like to think and and not a lot 1104 00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:34,950 of histrionics I mean you want it's a 1105 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:36,180 tough thing because on the one hand for 1106 00:54:41,570 --> 00:54:39,530 a public movement you want to get people 1107 00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:41,580 emotionally invested so there's got to 1108 00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:44,310 be some of that but it always seems to 1109 00:54:48,290 --> 00:54:46,200 me at any time these protest movements 1110 00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:48,300 happen they they don't go anywhere 1111 00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,200 because there's really not a proper 1112 00:54:58,970 --> 00:54:54,000 intellectual focus so if there were to 1113 00:55:02,270 --> 00:54:58,980 be a proper disclosure movement I would 1114 00:55:06,140 --> 00:55:02,280 like to see it well thought out before 1115 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:06,150 it anything happens just not hearing 1116 00:55:12,650 --> 00:55:08,970 myself yes we need you as a spokesman 1117 00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:12,660 let's say let's take our break right 1118 00:55:16,940 --> 00:55:14,730 here this is a to black I am your host 1119 00:55:19,250 --> 00:55:16,950 Jimmy Church our guest tonight Richard 1120 00:55:20,660 --> 00:55:19,260 Dolan lots to talk about we'll pick 1121 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:20,670 everything up where we're leaving off 1122 00:55:26,650 --> 00:55:22,650 right now and we'll be right back after 1123 00:56:03,740 --> 00:56:01,320 [Music] 1124 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:03,750 [Applause] 1125 00:56:08,220 --> 00:56:06,010 welcome back fade to black our guest 1126 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:08,230 tonight Richard Dolan and I want to 1127 00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:10,450 remind everybody before we get back to 1128 00:56:16,140 --> 00:56:13,089 Richard the new fader not Hall of Fame 1129 00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:16,150 the fade to gallery is up at Jimmy Turks 1130 00:56:20,819 --> 00:56:18,880 radio calm and you can send your images 1131 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:20,829 with your fade to black gear your hat 1132 00:56:24,420 --> 00:56:23,050 whatever you got your mug you can write 1133 00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:24,430 it on a piece of paper doesn't matter 1134 00:56:30,210 --> 00:56:27,250 become a fade or not get yourself into 1135 00:56:33,450 --> 00:56:30,220 the Hall of Fame and you can submit all 1136 00:56:36,089 --> 00:56:33,460 of your images to fade to gallery had 1137 00:56:38,609 --> 00:56:36,099 Jimmy Church radio calm and if just if 1138 00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:38,619 you need to you can email me too as well 1139 00:56:42,839 --> 00:56:40,960 Jimmy Jimmy church radio calm or you can 1140 00:56:45,930 --> 00:56:42,849 email Richard Dolan he does take my 1141 00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:45,940 emails to him as well and he replies to 1142 00:56:56,310 --> 00:56:49,510 all of my emails Richard yes sir KITT 1143 00:57:03,140 --> 00:56:56,320 green now KITT green when the news view 1144 00:57:05,550 --> 00:57:03,150 broke about conversations with KITT the 1145 00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:05,560 the email that I got the phone 1146 00:57:08,670 --> 00:57:07,089 conversations that I had with people 1147 00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:08,680 going okay Jimmy you've got to get 1148 00:57:14,059 --> 00:57:11,710 Richard on the show you you're the guy 1149 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:14,069 to do this and you and I did actually 1150 00:57:19,319 --> 00:57:18,010 speak about timing of the possibility of 1151 00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:19,329 speaking about Kate green well the 1152 00:57:27,390 --> 00:57:25,839 moment is here no we have not 1153 00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:27,400 oh wow yeah we need to get into this 1154 00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:30,640 yeah let's get into this now a two 1155 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:34,030 minute historical perspective about what 1156 00:57:42,599 --> 00:57:38,170 prompted you reaching out to KITT which 1157 00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:42,609 was the the Davis Wilson docks that and 1158 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:46,480 also the 11 page alien autopsy email 1159 00:57:52,829 --> 00:57:50,650 thread right both both were leaked from 1160 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:52,839 the same source and that source it must 1161 00:57:59,130 --> 00:57:55,930 be emphasized where the papers of the 1162 00:58:03,390 --> 00:57:59,140 late astronaut dr. Edgar Mitchell who 1163 00:58:05,460 --> 00:58:03,400 died in January of 2017 and as a number 1164 00:58:06,750 --> 00:58:05,470 of us I'm not the only one who is aware 1165 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:06,760 of how this whole thing has happened 1166 00:58:13,770 --> 00:58:08,410 grant Cameron's talked a lot about this 1167 00:58:16,109 --> 00:58:13,780 too but after Mitchell died a number of 1168 00:58:17,250 --> 00:58:16,119 his papers were not necessarily going to 1169 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:17,260 be preserved 1170 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:19,690 alright and they were preserved by 1171 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:23,410 someone who altruistically I think it 1172 00:58:27,810 --> 00:58:24,850 has to be said knew that this would be a 1173 00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,820 travesty and was allowed above board 1174 00:58:32,730 --> 00:58:29,920 with permission to take a certain number 1175 00:58:35,310 --> 00:58:32,740 of these papers out and I do not know 1176 00:58:37,230 --> 00:58:35,320 how many I don't know the full extent I 1177 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:37,240 don't know if they're all of great 1178 00:58:41,940 --> 00:58:39,490 importance or trivial I don't know that 1179 00:58:44,130 --> 00:58:41,950 but I do know that one of those 1180 00:58:46,170 --> 00:58:44,140 documents was a 15 page document that 1181 00:58:48,540 --> 00:58:46,180 we've been calling the Wilson document 1182 00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:48,550 the Eric Davis notes another is the 11 1183 00:58:54,090 --> 00:58:51,280 page email thread dealing with the alien 1184 00:58:59,060 --> 00:58:54,100 autopsy whole discussion in 2001 on the 1185 00:59:02,010 --> 00:58:59,070 Ray Santilli film and and there's more 1186 00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:02,020 grant Cameron released another one page 1187 00:59:05,970 --> 00:59:04,000 or two-page memo from Robert Bigelow to 1188 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:05,980 Edgar Mitchell it's not as important but 1189 00:59:10,609 --> 00:59:08,050 it does show these are all from Edgar 1190 00:59:14,099 --> 00:59:10,619 Mitchell's files anyway so that came out 1191 00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:14,109 the the alien autopsy thread and then 1192 00:59:21,570 --> 00:59:18,130 the Wilson notes came out in the first 1193 00:59:22,980 --> 00:59:21,580 week of June of this year 2019 and in 1194 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:22,990 fact the I think was the alien autopsy 1195 00:59:27,390 --> 00:59:25,090 email thread that came out like one day 1196 00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:27,400 earlier and when that came out that that 1197 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:29,920 was actually quite interesting too not 1198 00:59:34,260 --> 00:59:31,450 as interesting in my opinion as the 1199 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:34,270 Wilson document but still what you have 1200 00:59:38,460 --> 00:59:36,850 in 2001 or a group of scientists working 1201 00:59:40,170 --> 00:59:38,470 for the National Institute of discovery 1202 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:40,180 science for needs that is for Robert 1203 00:59:46,620 --> 00:59:43,210 Bigelow high-level people how put off 1204 00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:46,630 dr. Kate green dr. Eric Davis dr. Colm 1205 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:50,609 Kelleher these are very high-level very 1206 00:59:55,260 --> 00:59:54,250 intelligent scientists all with security 1207 00:59:58,800 --> 00:59:55,270 clearances high-level security 1208 01:00:00,420 --> 00:59:58,810 clearances as well and even in 2001 and 1209 01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:00,430 when most of the UFO world had already 1210 01:00:04,530 --> 01:00:03,910 decided the alien autopsy video was fake 1211 01:00:06,750 --> 01:00:04,540 or hoax 1212 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:06,760 these gentlemen are talking about it 1213 01:00:12,810 --> 01:00:09,690 amongst themselves very quietly and 1214 01:00:17,310 --> 01:00:12,820 asking mainly asking kit green who's 1215 01:00:20,460 --> 01:00:17,320 that medical expert why he believes it 1216 01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:20,470 was authentic that's it that's 1217 01:00:24,930 --> 01:00:23,200 interesting now that was interesting but 1218 01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:24,940 you could just say well kid Queen no 1219 01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:27,310 matter how well educated or smart he was 1220 01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:29,370 could still be wrong 1221 01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:30,990 you know wouldn't necessarily be 1222 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:33,000 noteworthy but what made those emails 1223 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:34,890 that email thread noteworthy was the 1224 01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:36,810 fact that Green said yeah the videos 1225 01:00:43,390 --> 01:00:40,260 authentic because I was briefed in 1987 1226 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:43,400 or 88 at the Pentagon and shown alien 1227 01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:46,890 autopsy images and alien autopsy reports 1228 01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:49,410 and the images were identical to the 1229 01:00:53,530 --> 01:00:51,090 Santilli film that's what got my 1230 01:00:59,320 --> 01:00:53,540 attention yeah got my attention too but 1231 01:01:03,500 --> 01:00:59,330 we're gonna pause here Richard do you 1232 01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:03,510 think that the alien autopsy film is 1233 01:01:12,290 --> 01:01:09,690 authentic you Richard Dolan know under 1234 01:01:16,490 --> 01:01:12,300 the best circumstances all right 1235 01:01:19,730 --> 01:01:16,500 what scintilla T has said is that they 1236 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:19,740 had an original that they got it was 1237 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:29,690 that you have to say that no it's not 1238 01:01:35,780 --> 01:01:34,290 it's not the real deal but to me the 1239 01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:35,790 interesting question isn't that and this 1240 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:38,000 is what everyone seems to be focusing on 1241 01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:40,530 if some of the people have researched 1242 01:01:44,180 --> 01:01:42,690 the alien autopsy thing in there it's 1243 01:01:45,470 --> 01:01:44,190 like they've got this tunnel vision and 1244 01:01:47,780 --> 01:01:45,480 it is the only question that they have 1245 01:01:49,550 --> 01:01:47,790 on their mind and I think what some more 1246 01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:49,560 interesting questions to ask why KITT 1247 01:01:55,940 --> 01:01:52,710 green that's my point something that he 1248 01:01:58,490 --> 01:01:55,950 claimed was identical to these two parts 1249 01:02:02,060 --> 01:01:58,500 of the Santilli film and by the way so I 1250 01:02:04,300 --> 01:02:02,070 wrote to him immediately that day and I 1251 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:04,310 can just say like he was not happy that 1252 01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:07,050 that this had come out he was very 1253 01:02:10,850 --> 01:02:08,400 unhappy and he broke back and said look 1254 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:10,860 that's old news that's 2001 I no longer 1255 01:02:15,260 --> 01:02:13,410 believe that that thing is authentic I 1256 01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:15,270 said I'm not interested in that I'm 1257 01:02:19,370 --> 01:02:18,210 interested in this 1987 a Pentagon 1258 01:02:21,950 --> 01:02:19,380 briefing that you heard about 1259 01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:21,960 and he wrote eventually later that day 1260 01:02:26,510 --> 01:02:23,760 said well I was hoaxed by the Pentagon 1261 01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:26,520 and my act my attitude was what like I 1262 01:02:30,770 --> 01:02:28,290 don't understand this you work for the 1263 01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:30,780 CIA for 20 years you've had high-level 1264 01:02:34,100 --> 01:02:33,030 very high-level security clearances in 1265 01:02:36,860 --> 01:02:34,110 your retirement while you're with 1266 01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:36,870 General Motors and you're deeply 1267 01:02:40,700 --> 01:02:38,610 invested in knowledgeable of the UFO 1268 01:02:42,180 --> 01:02:40,710 subject you know you've probably done 1269 01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:42,190 hundreds of autopsies 1270 01:02:46,820 --> 01:02:44,020 he's an expert in that and you're saying 1271 01:02:49,950 --> 01:02:46,830 to me the Pentagon hoaxed you on this 1272 01:02:51,570 --> 01:02:49,960 little explanation please and so some 1273 01:02:53,340 --> 01:02:51,580 time went by and eventually I did an 1274 01:02:56,190 --> 01:02:53,350 interview with him in the middle of July 1275 01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:56,200 of this year it took me a while to get 1276 01:03:03,000 --> 01:02:59,920 that interview transcribed and then to 1277 01:03:06,690 --> 01:03:03,010 write an article about it and he said 1278 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:06,700 don't release the the interview well 1279 01:03:12,780 --> 01:03:10,210 yeah and look this is in this is not his 1280 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:12,790 fault so when we did the interview I 1281 01:03:16,530 --> 01:03:14,650 think we each had a slightly different 1282 01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:16,540 idea of what was going to happen and I 1283 01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:18,490 did have the idea that I would release a 1284 01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:21,280 full transcript this was never his idea 1285 01:03:25,230 --> 01:03:22,720 because some of the things he did tell 1286 01:03:27,030 --> 01:03:25,240 me in that interview were off-the-record 1287 01:03:31,770 --> 01:03:27,040 and they were properly off-the-record 1288 01:03:34,980 --> 01:03:31,780 and glowing what it isn't entirely clear 1289 01:03:37,470 --> 01:03:34,990 until I was about to publish the whole 1290 01:03:39,780 --> 01:03:37,480 thing like I was this close to doing it 1291 01:03:41,700 --> 01:03:39,790 and I did him the courtesy of telling 1292 01:03:42,690 --> 01:03:41,710 him that and he just said no no no 1293 01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:42,700 absolutely not 1294 01:03:49,350 --> 01:03:45,130 What did he say that was awful What did 1295 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:49,360 he say that was off the record well I'll 1296 01:03:54,540 --> 01:03:50,530 tell you one thing he said that was off 1297 01:03:55,530 --> 01:03:54,550 the record we talked the very end of the 1298 01:03:58,350 --> 01:03:55,540 interview we talked about the Wilson 1299 01:04:00,480 --> 01:03:58,360 document so the first thing I'll tell 1300 01:04:02,730 --> 01:04:00,490 you I asked him is the alien autopsy 1301 01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:02,740 thread authentic and the only reason I 1302 01:04:06,930 --> 01:04:05,200 even asked that is because some very I 1303 01:04:08,670 --> 01:04:06,940 think ignorant people were claiming that 1304 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:08,680 the whole thing was a hoax and I just 1305 01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:10,930 wanted to get his statement and the 1306 01:04:14,070 --> 01:04:12,160 first thing you said about the alien 1307 01:04:16,140 --> 01:04:14,080 autopsy email thread is that yes it's 1308 01:04:18,540 --> 01:04:16,150 absolutely authentic completely genuine 1309 01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:18,550 we had a long conversation about that 1310 01:04:23,730 --> 01:04:21,610 which I don't even know if I'll have 1311 01:04:25,260 --> 01:04:23,740 enough time to get into all of that but 1312 01:04:28,050 --> 01:04:25,270 then I asked him at the very end about 1313 01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:28,060 the Wilson document and I wanted to know 1314 01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:31,530 his thoughts on that so he gave me a a 1315 01:04:40,620 --> 01:04:37,330 very interesting statement and I'm 1316 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:40,630 actually scrolling to it and he says 1317 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:45,010 golly where is it here we go here we go 1318 01:04:50,210 --> 01:04:47,410 he gave me an on-the-record and an 1319 01:04:52,830 --> 01:04:50,220 off-the-record statement on the record 1320 01:04:54,450 --> 01:04:52,840 this is verbatim he said on the record I 1321 01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:54,460 have agreed on the record that I have no 1322 01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:56,000 authority to confirm 1323 01:04:59,859 --> 01:04:57,920 that it is a legitimate memo because in 1324 01:05:01,599 --> 01:04:59,869 fact the fact that I've seen it the fact 1325 01:05:03,580 --> 01:05:01,609 that I think one thing doesn't give me 1326 01:05:05,770 --> 01:05:03,590 the authority to declare its provenance 1327 01:05:09,460 --> 01:05:05,780 as legitimate I can't do that so I won't 1328 01:05:11,380 --> 01:05:09,470 say that that's the stake and I thinking 1329 01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:11,390 thank you for that that's a very clear 1330 01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:13,250 statement to me and then he gave me an 1331 01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:15,890 off-the-record statement and I I'm not 1332 01:05:20,020 --> 01:05:17,510 going to tell you I can't tell you what 1333 01:05:21,310 --> 01:05:20,030 it was but I asked him can I tell the 1334 01:05:23,650 --> 01:05:21,320 world that you gave me an off-the-record 1335 01:05:25,660 --> 01:05:23,660 statement and he said yes and I will 1336 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:25,670 certainly add that his off-the-record 1337 01:05:33,130 --> 01:05:29,450 statement was very lengthy he and I had 1338 01:05:37,140 --> 01:05:33,140 a very long conversation about that 1339 01:05:41,470 --> 01:05:37,150 document which he knew extremely well 1340 01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:41,480 sorry off the record he said that the 1341 01:05:54,430 --> 01:05:46,880 document was was authentic no on the 1342 01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:54,440 record he said good job here I'm gonna 1343 01:06:00,430 --> 01:05:57,200 say this after my extensive conversation 1344 01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:00,440 with him off the record my opinion of 1345 01:06:06,370 --> 01:06:03,680 the Wilson documents authenticity was 1346 01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:06,380 certainly solidified right I'll say that 1347 01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:09,920 and I'm trying to do him that's fine I 1348 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:11,930 don't wanna I don't want to I don't want 1349 01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:14,450 to I don't want to offend kit but we had 1350 01:06:19,089 --> 01:06:17,119 we had a look he told me that I could 1351 01:06:21,849 --> 01:06:19,099 say he gave me an off-the-record and I 1352 01:06:24,579 --> 01:06:21,859 was very grateful for that and yes I'm 1353 01:06:26,829 --> 01:06:24,589 just adding that it was a very detailed 1354 01:06:28,900 --> 01:06:26,839 lengthy conversation off the record 1355 01:06:30,910 --> 01:06:28,910 about the Wilson memo the Wilson 1356 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:30,920 document by Eric Davis absolutely and 1357 01:06:35,589 --> 01:06:33,530 and he gave me a couple of quote 1358 01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:35,599 hypotheticals about Admiral Wilson on 1359 01:06:40,210 --> 01:06:38,330 that document he said the generic 1360 01:06:42,370 --> 01:06:40,220 discussion in the document generic 1361 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:42,380 discussion again he's distancing himself 1362 01:06:48,099 --> 01:06:45,890 he said was exceptionally familiar to 1363 01:06:51,210 --> 01:06:48,109 him his words right so if you go through 1364 01:06:54,730 --> 01:06:51,220 the incredible amount of detail in that 1365 01:06:56,589 --> 01:06:54,740 15 page document about the Admiral 1366 01:06:58,620 --> 01:06:56,599 Wilson leak and if someone that is not 1367 01:07:01,900 --> 01:06:58,630 familiar with this and we apologize but 1368 01:07:03,370 --> 01:07:01,910 just I wrote articles on this is on my 1369 01:07:04,900 --> 01:07:03,380 website they're free of charge you can 1370 01:07:07,089 --> 01:07:04,910 just go find the articles You Tube 1371 01:07:09,850 --> 01:07:07,099 things on this get up to speed this is 1372 01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:09,860 important stuff so Green said that was a 1373 01:07:16,420 --> 01:07:13,250 exceptionally familiar to him and also 1374 01:07:19,630 --> 01:07:16,430 he said Wilson's reaction his anger at 1375 01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:19,640 being locked out of the program his 1376 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:22,850 basic statement was look yeah a guy like 1377 01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:24,770 that in his position would have thought 1378 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:27,650 he would have the ability to monitor a 1379 01:07:32,140 --> 01:07:30,410 reverse engineered alien tech program 1380 01:07:33,610 --> 01:07:32,150 but he said but no he wouldn't have this 1381 01:07:35,350 --> 01:07:33,620 whole things become so privatized 1382 01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:35,360 mmm-hmm the whole thing has become 1383 01:07:41,410 --> 01:07:39,170 privatized he said you know one of the 1384 01:07:45,340 --> 01:07:41,420 things he pointed out to me is in his 1385 01:07:47,410 --> 01:07:45,350 own career and and everyone else is that 1386 01:07:52,030 --> 01:07:47,420 he knows he said the rule is that when 1387 01:07:53,380 --> 01:07:52,040 you leave federal employee and you go 1388 01:07:55,150 --> 01:07:53,390 off to work in private industry that's 1389 01:07:57,340 --> 01:07:55,160 when your security clearances actually 1390 01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:57,350 improve and become better and more more 1391 01:07:59,860 --> 01:07:57,890 numerous 1392 01:08:02,050 --> 01:07:59,870 he said that happened to him when he 1393 01:08:05,290 --> 01:08:02,060 left the CIA he'd been at the CIA for 20 1394 01:08:07,780 --> 01:08:05,300 years he leaves the CIA and got better 1395 01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:07,790 clearances as an executive with General 1396 01:08:12,070 --> 01:08:10,160 Motors and I just said well why does 1397 01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:12,080 that happen he said well because it's in 1398 01:08:15,100 --> 01:08:13,610 private industry where all the action is 1399 01:08:18,130 --> 01:08:15,110 is where private industries where all 1400 01:08:20,830 --> 01:08:18,140 the brainpower is where all the where 1401 01:08:23,710 --> 01:08:20,840 everything is happening all the money is 1402 01:08:27,490 --> 01:08:23,720 in private industry so when there's 1403 01:08:30,250 --> 01:08:27,500 anything that has to be done to deal 1404 01:08:32,410 --> 01:08:30,260 with this type of a phenomenon all right 1405 01:08:35,020 --> 01:08:32,420 it's in private industry and so that's 1406 01:08:37,480 --> 01:08:35,030 when you need more and better security 1407 01:08:39,100 --> 01:08:37,490 clearances now and that's that was an 1408 01:08:44,710 --> 01:08:39,110 interesting insight I thought and and 1409 01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:44,720 going back to him being hoaxed by the 1410 01:08:50,050 --> 01:08:46,330 Department of Defense 1411 01:08:52,060 --> 01:08:50,060 okay so yet two or three points and 1412 01:08:58,270 --> 01:08:52,070 let's let's bang it out right away one 1413 01:09:04,150 --> 01:08:58,280 it appears in the leaked thread that he 1414 01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:04,160 believed in 2001 that the Santilli film 1415 01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:07,310 was authentic the alien autopsy that's 1416 01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:12,730 the way that I read it he did okay so 1417 01:09:19,210 --> 01:09:16,640 how does he explain that away today not 1418 01:09:21,190 --> 01:09:19,220 explain it away but his change of heart 1419 01:09:22,930 --> 01:09:21,200 that he says now that the film is not 1420 01:09:25,150 --> 01:09:22,940 authentic and that the Pentagon 1421 01:09:27,789 --> 01:09:25,160 hoaxed him all right let's get some 1422 01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:27,799 clarity honest and say you know I mean I 1423 01:09:31,180 --> 01:09:29,120 respect him every respect his 1424 01:09:33,939 --> 01:09:31,190 intelligence but I wasn't even now I'm 1425 01:09:36,490 --> 01:09:33,949 not fully satisfied with his explanation 1426 01:09:38,769 --> 01:09:36,500 at all but one of the things he said to 1427 01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:38,779 me is that during the 80s and 90s and 1428 01:09:46,590 --> 01:09:42,080 early 2000s he received at his doorstep 1429 01:09:48,970 --> 01:09:46,600 at his home anonymously a dozen or more 1430 01:09:51,689 --> 01:09:48,980 alien autopsy videos 1431 01:09:54,729 --> 01:09:51,699 can you imagine mm-hmm more than a dozen 1432 01:10:00,160 --> 01:09:54,739 not all had documentation with them but 1433 01:10:04,510 --> 01:10:00,170 some did and you know and and at the 1434 01:10:06,459 --> 01:10:04,520 same time he had two mentors over a 1435 01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:06,469 period of time over a period of like 25 1436 01:10:16,150 --> 01:10:12,050 years who had said to him there is a UFO 1437 01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:16,160 alien program and I'm I want to get you 1438 01:10:20,860 --> 01:10:18,170 cleared to be in it because we need 1439 01:10:23,260 --> 01:10:20,870 someone of your particular background so 1440 01:10:25,570 --> 01:10:23,270 through the 1982 while he was still with 1441 01:10:29,250 --> 01:10:25,580 CIA this was going on and he was 1442 01:10:32,380 --> 01:10:29,260 expecting it to happen and in fact that 1443 01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:32,390 that was the situation in 1987 or 88 1444 01:10:38,020 --> 01:10:35,840 whenever this was that he got it was was 1445 01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:38,030 summoned to the Pentagon for this 1446 01:10:42,610 --> 01:10:40,850 briefing he assumed he said to me that 1447 01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:42,620 this was going to be the briefing where 1448 01:10:47,470 --> 01:10:44,960 they laid out her everything and showed 1449 01:10:49,420 --> 01:10:47,480 him alien autopsy film and said 1450 01:10:51,490 --> 01:10:49,430 everything and in fact what they did was 1451 01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:51,500 they didn't show him a film which he was 1452 01:10:57,459 --> 01:10:53,360 expecting they showed him some still 1453 01:11:00,010 --> 01:10:57,469 glossies and some autopsy reports with 1454 01:11:02,020 --> 01:11:00,020 not much other explanation involved 1455 01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:02,030 there he said am I getting anything else 1456 01:11:07,390 --> 01:11:04,370 in the briefing officer said you will 1457 01:11:09,189 --> 01:11:07,400 not and that was it and according to 1458 01:11:12,580 --> 01:11:09,199 Green he never really got a proper 1459 01:11:14,530 --> 01:11:12,590 follow-up or any follow-up from that 1460 01:11:18,340 --> 01:11:14,540 briefing and so he became suspicious of 1461 01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:18,350 it through the 2000s he his original 1462 01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:20,449 mentor died eventually in the 90s and he 1463 01:11:25,330 --> 01:11:23,090 had a second mentor these are high-level 1464 01:11:27,939 --> 01:11:25,340 people in the world of special access 1465 01:11:29,650 --> 01:11:27,949 programs and the second one also said 1466 01:11:31,660 --> 01:11:29,660 I'm going to get you cleared for this 1467 01:11:33,580 --> 01:11:31,670 program we need you so this he went 1468 01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:33,590 through this merry-go-round a second 1469 01:11:38,350 --> 01:11:36,290 time which lasted for years 1470 01:11:40,930 --> 01:11:38,360 and it was like the carrot being dangled 1471 01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:40,940 but it never it never materialized for 1472 01:11:45,790 --> 01:11:42,800 him so I think what happened with kid 1473 01:11:48,010 --> 01:11:45,800 green is that over the years he became 1474 01:11:50,170 --> 01:11:48,020 much more skeptical of the 1475 01:11:52,990 --> 01:11:50,180 extra-terrestrial explanation for UFOs 1476 01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:53,000 he seems to believe in UFOs but I don't 1477 01:11:59,560 --> 01:11:56,690 I don't know that he goes so far today 1478 01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:59,570 to say that it's alien bodies alien 1479 01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:01,760 autopsies in any of that and he believes 1480 01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:04,400 that he was that I guess the victim of 1481 01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:06,050 what he called what is called an active 1482 01:12:11,110 --> 01:12:09,290 measures program and this is a very big 1483 01:12:12,220 --> 01:12:11,120 thing within the intelligence community 1484 01:12:14,580 --> 01:12:12,230 and the idea of an active measures 1485 01:12:17,770 --> 01:12:14,590 program is he explaining to me also is 1486 01:12:19,540 --> 01:12:17,780 you take you know even a high-level 1487 01:12:21,250 --> 01:12:19,550 expert in a field you given them a 1488 01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:21,260 certain man of disinformation to make 1489 01:12:26,410 --> 01:12:23,840 them believe that and it's really a test 1490 01:12:30,010 --> 01:12:26,420 to see how good your disinformation can 1491 01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:30,020 be he says this is very common I have to 1492 01:12:34,300 --> 01:12:32,000 take him for what he say I don't know 1493 01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,310 how common these are but he says that 1494 01:12:39,220 --> 01:12:36,080 they're quite common so they used to 1495 01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:39,230 have are you saying I just want to be 1496 01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:41,090 clear here are you saying that he 1497 01:12:48,490 --> 01:12:44,960 suggested that they were testing their 1498 01:12:51,190 --> 01:12:48,500 disinformation capabilities on him and 1499 01:12:53,580 --> 01:12:51,200 that's how he was hoaxed right do you 1500 01:12:57,370 --> 01:12:53,590 borrow he doesn't approve for it so yeah 1501 01:13:00,130 --> 01:12:57,380 as I said seriously like that's taking a 1502 01:13:03,010 --> 01:13:00,140 heck of a big risk this is someone who 1503 01:13:05,260 --> 01:13:03,020 is high-level expertise right right in 1504 01:13:07,570 --> 01:13:05,270 every aspect of medicine biology and 1505 01:13:09,580 --> 01:13:07,580 genetics and every related science that 1506 01:13:11,710 --> 01:13:09,590 you can imagine he really knows that 1507 01:13:13,410 --> 01:13:11,720 he's top of the game and there's been 1508 01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:13,420 that for his whole professional life 1509 01:13:20,050 --> 01:13:17,600 plus he's got this strong foundation of 1510 01:13:22,510 --> 01:13:20,060 knowledge of the UFO phenomenon in 1511 01:13:24,220 --> 01:13:22,520 general I would think even the Pentagon 1512 01:13:25,930 --> 01:13:24,230 trying to hoax him in an active measures 1513 01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:25,940 program that's taking a heck of a risk 1514 01:13:30,340 --> 01:13:28,610 for someone like him and so I was very 1515 01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:30,350 dubious about it they could have Paul 1516 01:13:34,990 --> 01:13:33,710 the ben'll wisdom you know what I mean 1517 01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:35,000 they could have Paul Bennett what if 1518 01:13:40,090 --> 01:13:37,730 they messed with his very psyche with 1519 01:13:42,430 --> 01:13:40,100 his very professional mind trained 1520 01:13:45,250 --> 01:13:42,440 learning guy and then you go and you 1521 01:13:47,620 --> 01:13:45,260 spin that on him right right right 1522 01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:47,630 and then you have the whole situation of 1523 01:13:52,690 --> 01:13:50,000 these these alien autopsies 1524 01:13:56,620 --> 01:13:52,700 landed mysteriously at his doorstep over 1525 01:14:01,720 --> 01:13:56,630 a period of years on one occasion at 1526 01:14:04,180 --> 01:14:01,730 least he took this to a highly respected 1527 01:14:08,110 --> 01:14:04,190 expert colleague of his who brought it 1528 01:14:10,690 --> 01:14:08,120 to to his colleagues so it was a film 1529 01:14:12,970 --> 01:14:10,700 and with documentation and they studied 1530 01:14:15,220 --> 01:14:12,980 the documentation and it was the opinion 1531 01:14:17,010 --> 01:14:15,230 of this expert that this was an 1532 01:14:23,470 --> 01:14:17,020 elaborate hoax 1533 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:23,480 now I can't I don't know how to judge 1534 01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:27,290 that as a hoax or not right and we'll 1535 01:14:33,550 --> 01:14:30,770 see if it if it was to the standard 1536 01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:33,560 right to the level of standard for 1537 01:14:39,540 --> 01:14:36,410 somebody like kit Green who has cut open 1538 01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:39,550 more dead bodies than you and I have 1539 01:14:44,380 --> 01:14:42,530 that if it love if it rises to that 1540 01:14:47,380 --> 01:14:44,390 level of standard where he's comfortable 1541 01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:47,390 enough to take it to colleagues around 1542 01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:50,690 him for their opinion how good was this 1543 01:14:54,580 --> 01:14:52,400 really with with the high level 1544 01:14:57,060 --> 01:14:54,590 clearances as well he's right right is 1545 01:15:01,810 --> 01:14:57,070 he very very high professional types a 1546 01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:01,820 very high level how good was the film it 1547 01:15:08,980 --> 01:15:03,920 wasn't Santa Lee's film I can tell you 1548 01:15:12,940 --> 01:15:08,990 that the film that he took to them was 1549 01:15:17,170 --> 01:15:12,950 an alien autopsy type film that that 1550 01:15:19,300 --> 01:15:17,180 they determined was a genuine autopsy of 1551 01:15:20,710 --> 01:15:19,310 a being that looked like an alien but 1552 01:15:23,050 --> 01:15:20,720 they determined through their own 1553 01:15:28,810 --> 01:15:23,060 expertise was a pro Jarek that is 1554 01:15:31,650 --> 01:15:28,820 someone of rapid onset aging progeria so 1555 01:15:35,380 --> 01:15:31,660 not not an alien that was their 1556 01:15:37,480 --> 01:15:35,390 conclusion in that particular case but 1557 01:15:38,980 --> 01:15:37,490 the thing is this this was a carrot 1558 01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:38,990 these were a series of carrots that 1559 01:15:44,710 --> 01:15:41,210 dangled in front of him for a long 1560 01:15:46,810 --> 01:15:44,720 period of time and you know the question 1561 01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:46,820 arises who did this he doesn't know who 1562 01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:50,090 did it his suspicion is that some of the 1563 01:15:56,260 --> 01:15:52,810 alien autopsy videos might have been 1564 01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:56,270 created by private industry within the 1565 01:15:58,690 --> 01:15:57,890 classified world and I said well why 1566 01:16:02,980 --> 01:15:58,700 would that be 1567 01:16:06,010 --> 01:16:02,990 and there 1568 01:16:08,530 --> 01:16:06,020 I'm trying to remember exactly here this 1569 01:16:09,730 --> 01:16:08,540 is a quote that he has he says I've 1570 01:16:11,260 --> 01:16:09,740 never been able to let go of that 1571 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:11,270 document this is the one I was just 1572 01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:13,010 telling you about some of the words in 1573 01:16:16,020 --> 01:16:14,450 the document referring to some of the 1574 01:16:19,210 --> 01:16:16,030 techniques to do the reverse 1575 01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:19,220 transcriptase subtests were not invented 1576 01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:23,090 yet they were invented 15 years later 1577 01:16:28,540 --> 01:16:25,970 just in the last five years and my only 1578 01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:28,550 conclusion he says it's my hypothesis 1579 01:16:33,790 --> 01:16:31,250 this is not a proof is the hoax was 1580 01:16:35,710 --> 01:16:33,800 developed at the top by the people who 1581 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:35,720 subsequently in the classified 1582 01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:38,810 biological programs went on to patent 1583 01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:41,600 the technologies six seven eight ten 1584 01:16:47,950 --> 01:16:43,970 years later and that still doesn't 1585 01:16:52,590 --> 01:16:47,960 really answer the question like why hoax 1586 01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:52,600 kit green on these I mean I don't get it 1587 01:16:58,750 --> 01:16:56,090 that's if they were hoaxing him that's 1588 01:17:01,000 --> 01:16:58,760 they were hosting him the fact is we 1589 01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:01,010 don't I don't know when you don't know 1590 01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:04,400 and kid green says he knows but does he 1591 01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:06,290 really know what what these things were 1592 01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:07,730 I mean this is his opinion is that he 1593 01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:12,170 was hoaxed his is kit at a position now 1594 01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:15,920 where he's thought about this you know 1595 01:17:20,650 --> 01:17:18,770 you're getting you know and the other 1596 01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:20,660 stages of your life you know you're in 1597 01:17:25,570 --> 01:17:22,880 the fourth quarter is he interested in 1598 01:17:28,210 --> 01:17:25,580 just you know clearing this up and going 1599 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:28,220 public and and speaking about this I 1600 01:17:32,410 --> 01:17:30,650 think that's why he spoke with me this 1601 01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:32,420 summer to be honest with you he doesn't 1602 01:17:37,660 --> 01:17:34,880 I can tell you he doesn't relish the 1603 01:17:41,470 --> 01:17:37,670 idea of being in the public eye about 1604 01:17:43,330 --> 01:17:41,480 this right you know he came to me 1605 01:17:47,140 --> 01:17:43,340 basically because I approached him first 1606 01:17:50,650 --> 01:17:47,150 about the email thread and I think he 1607 01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:50,660 probably knew that I wasn't going to let 1608 01:17:54,700 --> 01:17:53,090 it go immediately and I think he just 1609 01:17:56,860 --> 01:17:54,710 thought he'll come out and talk to me 1610 01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:56,870 in his opinion I think he has come out 1611 01:18:02,020 --> 01:17:59,360 in the sense of like one thing he said 1612 01:18:02,230 --> 01:18:02,030 to me was you know I was right where you 1613 01:18:07,020 --> 01:18:02,240 are 1614 01:18:09,250 --> 01:18:07,030 now 10 15 years ago like 15 years ago 1615 01:18:11,590 --> 01:18:09,260 and he said I just don't believe that 1616 01:18:14,859 --> 01:18:11,600 anymore I don't believe that we're 1617 01:18:16,660 --> 01:18:14,869 dealing with you 1618 01:18:19,660 --> 01:18:16,670 beings from Zeta Reticuli coming to 1619 01:18:21,339 --> 01:18:19,670 earth I think as he put in something was 1620 01:18:23,979 --> 01:18:21,349 not very clear what he did believe 1621 01:18:28,810 --> 01:18:23,989 though and what is surprising to me is 1622 01:18:31,450 --> 01:18:28,820 the amount of people and researchers 1623 01:18:33,339 --> 01:18:31,460 that I know in respect that have come 1624 01:18:36,700 --> 01:18:33,349 out and said see I told you the film was 1625 01:18:39,939 --> 01:18:36,710 real and I'm just like wait a minute 1626 01:18:43,540 --> 01:18:39,949 here that's the other effect that that 1627 01:18:46,660 --> 01:18:43,550 leaked document Eve 2001 but that's 1628 01:18:49,959 --> 01:18:46,670 that's the weight of kid green and and 1629 01:18:51,939 --> 01:18:49,969 now it's and let me just mention this 1630 01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:51,949 this is really important to state this 1631 01:19:01,600 --> 01:18:56,800 because even now after all these years 1632 01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:01,610 he continues to maintain that some of 1633 01:19:08,020 --> 01:19:05,570 the elements that he was shown in in the 1634 01:19:10,359 --> 01:19:08,030 Pentagon were identical and I'm gonna 1635 01:19:12,399 --> 01:19:10,369 read this so I mean just to be clear 1636 01:19:14,050 --> 01:19:12,409 though in his view the film and the 1637 01:19:20,339 --> 01:19:14,060 briefing were both hoaxes so the 1638 01:19:23,350 --> 01:19:20,349 Santilli film was a hoax and also the 1639 01:19:24,580 --> 01:19:23,360 briefing was a hoax but I just want to 1640 01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:24,590 read this is a statement he broke 1641 01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:27,770 several let me repeat several shots from 1642 01:19:32,530 --> 01:19:30,320 the pictures I was shown then later 1643 01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:32,540 appeared in what he calls the grainy 1644 01:19:40,030 --> 01:19:36,560 Santilli film not the body I never said 1645 01:19:42,609 --> 01:19:40,040 it was the body it was the face still it 1646 01:19:46,660 --> 01:19:42,619 was the shot of the subject 1647 01:19:49,359 --> 01:19:46,670 it was the shot of the wall it was the 1648 01:19:52,359 --> 01:19:49,369 shot of the table it was the shot of a 1649 01:19:54,250 --> 01:19:52,369 part of a foot it was not the shot that 1650 01:19:56,740 --> 01:19:54,260 I could say was the same body so he's 1651 01:19:58,689 --> 01:19:56,750 trying to qualify saying no not the body 1652 01:20:00,970 --> 01:19:58,699 the body is different but he's saying 1653 01:20:04,270 --> 01:20:00,980 the face was the same and a number of 1654 01:20:07,570 --> 01:20:04,280 other things from the Santilli film were 1655 01:20:10,570 --> 01:20:07,580 the same as what he claims have been 1656 01:20:13,629 --> 01:20:10,580 shown and he actually I think he said 1657 01:20:15,580 --> 01:20:13,639 something like Santilli may have made up 1658 01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:15,590 some of it but he couldn't have made up 1659 01:20:18,729 --> 01:20:18,080 all of it because almost exactly how he 1660 01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:18,739 said it to me 1661 01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:22,400 so there's something that he will 1662 01:20:27,130 --> 01:20:25,840 maintain that he maintains to this day 1663 01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:27,140 that 1664 01:20:33,850 --> 01:20:32,570 was identical or virtually let's say I 1665 01:20:35,980 --> 01:20:33,860 mean how can you really know if it's 1666 01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:35,990 identical one is a 1987 then you've got 1667 01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:38,090 you know seven eight years later you see 1668 01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:40,490 the film how good is his memory but 1669 01:20:44,770 --> 01:20:43,040 let's assume it's good enough that he 1670 01:20:47,230 --> 01:20:44,780 felt very strongly that this thing was 1671 01:20:49,060 --> 01:20:47,240 at least if not identical then very 1672 01:20:51,190 --> 01:20:49,070 close that to me is the interesting 1673 01:20:54,210 --> 01:20:51,200 thing and what does that say to us right 1674 01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:54,220 what does that say what if that is true 1675 01:20:59,020 --> 01:20:57,170 you know I don't want to actually is the 1676 01:21:01,230 --> 01:20:59,030 case I mean here we you know it's like 1677 01:21:04,030 --> 01:21:01,240 here we go you know here we go again 1678 01:21:08,740 --> 01:21:04,040 where we have to wait or there's one 1679 01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:08,750 thing hold on let me say this Richard I 1680 01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:11,120 need to take a break in 30 seconds you 1681 01:21:16,570 --> 01:21:14,210 are on vacation right now and you have 1682 01:21:18,430 --> 01:21:16,580 to be up in the morning do you want to 1683 01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:18,440 continue this conversation after this 1684 01:21:25,780 --> 01:21:23,930 break look at Tracy all right we're 1685 01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:25,790 gonna do a thumbs up and we're gonna go 1686 01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:32,740 we're gonna go for the two let's go okay 1687 01:21:36,940 --> 01:21:34,970 so let's take our break right now okay 1688 01:21:38,860 --> 01:21:36,950 let's do it I'm gonna take our break our 1689 01:21:42,220 --> 01:21:38,870 guest tonight is Richard bleep and don't 1690 01:21:43,630 --> 01:21:42,230 even he wasn't gonna go to bed Richard 1691 01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:43,640 thank you so much stay right there we'll 1692 01:21:48,140 --> 01:21:45,710 be right back up to the chambre this is 1693 01:21:58,859 --> 01:21:48,150 fake to black Thank You Tracy 1694 01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:00,939 welcome back fade to black 1695 01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:04,250 our guest tonight Richard Dolan if you 1696 01:22:10,450 --> 01:22:06,530 follow Richard right there on Twitter at 1697 01:22:15,310 --> 01:22:10,460 rich Dolan and of course at rich your 1698 01:22:17,919 --> 01:22:15,320 rich your YouTube channel what's the 1699 01:22:20,919 --> 01:22:17,929 name of the channel it's just to Dolan I 1700 01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:20,929 think it's actually YouTube / Richard M 1701 01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:23,690 Dolan but if you just go to youtube and 1702 01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:25,280 type in my name I think you'll get to my 1703 01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:26,960 channel pretty easily what is it what 1704 01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:32,449 does M stand for Michael okay I was 1705 01:22:38,379 --> 01:22:34,730 gonna say it stands for BM f you know 1706 01:22:43,810 --> 01:22:38,389 but I have you know you remember the BM 1707 01:22:47,140 --> 01:22:43,820 f wallet in Pulp Fiction right oh wow 1708 01:22:49,570 --> 01:22:47,150 yeah my memory is gone gone far far away 1709 01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:49,580 you know what the acronym stands for we 1710 01:22:58,359 --> 01:22:51,290 don't need to say it publicly but yes 1711 01:23:00,459 --> 01:22:58,369 exactly it does I have a BM f wallet so 1712 01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:00,469 yeah somebody sent it than I am 1713 01:23:05,140 --> 01:23:02,570 yeah there you go okay so where'd we 1714 01:23:07,419 --> 01:23:05,150 leave off KITT Greene right we were 1715 01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:07,429 getting his yeah I'm actually it's as 1716 01:23:11,459 --> 01:23:08,719 good that we're talking about this 1717 01:23:14,589 --> 01:23:11,469 because I haven't done many interviews 1718 01:23:19,470 --> 01:23:14,599 about this I'm trying to do justice to 1719 01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:19,480 him you know he he was very he was very 1720 01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:23,090 careful and saying the things that he 1721 01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:26,239 said he's a very precise man he's a very 1722 01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:27,650 precise person this is a man who worked 1723 01:23:35,919 --> 01:23:32,330 20 years at the CIA he's got he is an 1724 01:23:37,750 --> 01:23:35,929 intelligence officer with high-level 1725 01:23:42,129 --> 01:23:37,760 expertise in the biological medical 1726 01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:42,139 sciences and and is well known for his 1727 01:23:47,589 --> 01:23:45,290 interest in UFOs and I'm running the so 1728 01:23:49,149 --> 01:23:47,599 called weird desk at the CIA which in 1729 01:23:52,510 --> 01:23:49,159 fact we talked a little bit about that - 1730 01:23:54,729 --> 01:23:52,520 mm-hmm which he really downplayed he 1731 01:23:56,410 --> 01:23:54,739 said look look my job at the CIA almost 1732 01:23:59,560 --> 01:23:56,420 had nothing very little to do with 1733 01:24:02,229 --> 01:23:59,570 phenomena paranormal UFOs a little bit 1734 01:24:04,419 --> 01:24:02,239 he said most of it did not he said most 1735 01:24:06,580 --> 01:24:04,429 of his UFO stuff came in his downtime 1736 01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:06,590 when he would go to s RI and hang out 1737 01:24:11,090 --> 01:24:08,250 with people like he'll put off 1738 01:24:14,090 --> 01:24:11,100 some yeah he's definitely interested in 1739 01:24:16,370 --> 01:24:14,100 the the release of the film 1740 01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:16,380 talking about Santilli now Santilli is 1741 01:24:22,460 --> 01:24:18,810 you know he's now back in the public and 1742 01:24:24,860 --> 01:24:22,470 his co-producer of the film the the 1743 01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:24,870 release of the film we knew it was 1744 01:24:29,020 --> 01:24:25,410 coming 1745 01:24:31,820 --> 01:24:29,030 and I ordered it from at our video and 1746 01:24:34,190 --> 01:24:31,830 couldn't wait for it I paid my 60 bucks 1747 01:24:37,370 --> 01:24:34,200 or 70 bucks whatever I paid for that 1748 01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:37,380 video back then was it was a lot of dosh 1749 01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:41,010 and I had a I had a viewing party yeah 1750 01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:44,400 at my place and maybe four or five of my 1751 01:24:47,570 --> 01:24:45,810 friends all came over we were all 1752 01:24:52,820 --> 01:24:47,580 excited about it and we pop it in the 1753 01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:52,830 VCR and we knew it was bogus just like 1754 01:24:59,360 --> 01:24:55,650 out of the gate and we got to the end of 1755 01:25:05,000 --> 01:24:59,370 it just like you know we got snowed I 1756 01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:05,010 got taken I feel bad for Winston for him 1757 01:25:09,230 --> 01:25:06,480 to go on the record at the end of that 1758 01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:09,240 film and the / that's right the FX 1759 01:25:14,330 --> 01:25:12,690 experts - Stan Winston and the 1760 01:25:19,210 --> 01:25:14,340 pathologist I can't think of his name 1761 01:25:21,470 --> 01:25:19,220 right now yes zero whack the famous 1762 01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:21,480 Cyril Wecht going on the record 1763 01:25:27,380 --> 01:25:24,840 and I just I just felt that it was 1764 01:25:31,220 --> 01:25:27,390 completely bogus that that has been my 1765 01:25:34,970 --> 01:25:31,230 attitude sense I have gotten into some 1766 01:25:37,340 --> 01:25:34,980 pretty heated arguments with some people 1767 01:25:41,090 --> 01:25:37,350 of note about this that that have always 1768 01:25:42,620 --> 01:25:41,100 maintained the film's authenticity and I 1769 01:25:45,620 --> 01:25:42,630 just don't understand what people what 1770 01:25:48,530 --> 01:25:45,630 people see is it that they see what they 1771 01:25:50,180 --> 01:25:48,540 want to see and and they are completely 1772 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:50,190 convinced and you're never gonna change 1773 01:25:56,090 --> 01:25:51,930 their mind I don't understand that 1774 01:25:57,710 --> 01:25:56,100 aspect of it you're asking me to comment 1775 01:26:03,770 --> 01:25:57,720 on this I I'm trying to think what I 1776 01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:03,780 want to say here I am I am only aware 1777 01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:06,000 that there are there are studies being 1778 01:26:12,140 --> 01:26:10,530 done on this like right now and I don't 1779 01:26:14,690 --> 01:26:12,150 know when they will be released 1780 01:26:18,980 --> 01:26:14,700 I don't know when as in analyses you 1781 01:26:26,180 --> 01:26:21,530 Santee Lee's film possibly this is the 1782 01:26:28,700 --> 01:26:26,190 word what could be possibly be analyzed 1783 01:26:31,010 --> 01:26:28,710 immuno Sam till he's gone on the record 1784 01:26:31,790 --> 01:26:31,020 san till he's gone on the record many 1785 01:26:36,770 --> 01:26:31,800 times going 1786 01:26:38,930 --> 01:26:36,780 it's fake we stayed I read a statement 1787 01:26:40,610 --> 01:26:38,940 on Grant Cameron's web page Facebook 1788 01:26:43,940 --> 01:26:40,620 page which I'm guessing you saw as well 1789 01:26:45,530 --> 01:26:43,950 yes and he even quite say fake if you 1790 01:26:47,450 --> 01:26:45,540 recall he said something different I'm 1791 01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:47,460 not saying he's right I'm just saying 1792 01:26:53,390 --> 01:26:49,770 this is his claim is not the same as 1793 01:26:55,490 --> 01:26:53,400 fake right his claim is that they tried 1794 01:26:57,340 --> 01:26:55,500 to recreate something so that's his 1795 01:27:02,030 --> 01:26:57,350 claim you don't have to believe it 1796 01:27:07,790 --> 01:27:02,040 no the recreation part right right right 1797 01:27:10,430 --> 01:27:07,800 so the the analysis is authentic it's 1798 01:27:11,870 --> 01:27:10,440 not a genuine what so a genuine 1799 01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:11,880 authentic it's not authentic 1800 01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:15,840 it's not the stop saying I think we can 1801 01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:19,440 agree on that for sure okay and that I 1802 01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:22,080 mean what he has maintained is there 1803 01:27:28,670 --> 01:27:24,480 there may be a couple of frames of film 1804 01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:28,680 I know that Philip mantel posted some 1805 01:27:34,970 --> 01:27:30,210 pictures I don't know if he caught this 1806 01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:34,980 a couple of weeks ago he went through 1807 01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:37,410 his belongings filled a couple of weeks 1808 01:27:43,490 --> 01:27:40,650 ago and found a couple of canisters from 1809 01:27:47,150 --> 01:27:43,500 Ray Santilli and in one of those 1810 01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:47,160 canisters was a couple of frames of the 1811 01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:50,370 alien autopsy film and he posted them on 1812 01:27:54,020 --> 01:27:51,810 Facebook they're right there and he's 1813 01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:54,030 got the two film canisters the film 1814 01:27:59,300 --> 01:27:56,370 canisters are you're like you know six 1815 01:28:01,100 --> 01:27:59,310 inch eight inch you know film canisters 1816 01:28:04,630 --> 01:28:01,110 are not you know really big 16 1817 01:28:06,860 --> 01:28:04,640 millimeter cans of the small ones but 1818 01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:06,870 I'm wondering if those are the two 1819 01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:09,210 frames of film that Santilli is always 1820 01:28:20,510 --> 01:28:18,620 recreation as we call it and that day I 1821 01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:20,520 think that's a position that Santilli is 1822 01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:24,170 has maintained but the film itself being 1823 01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:26,490 for those out there that think that it 1824 01:28:31,310 --> 01:28:30,330 is the film of a real alien autopsy it 1825 01:28:32,780 --> 01:28:31,320 is not I 1826 01:28:35,860 --> 01:28:32,790 I don't know what other people want to 1827 01:28:38,540 --> 01:28:35,870 believe or why they want to maintain 1828 01:28:39,860 --> 01:28:38,550 copyright I'm sure you're right all I 1829 01:28:44,180 --> 01:28:39,870 know is that there's something being 1830 01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:44,190 done on it now a deep analysis of it 1831 01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:47,610 from what I've heard not even sure by 1832 01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:49,410 whom this is only the word that I've 1833 01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:52,890 been told so hopefully it would be 1834 01:28:56,510 --> 01:28:54,210 interesting to see if something like 1835 01:28:58,610 --> 01:28:56,520 that were to come out now with 1836 01:29:00,560 --> 01:28:58,620 everything now let's uh let's get to the 1837 01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:00,570 nuts and bolts of this with everything 1838 01:29:06,490 --> 01:29:03,210 that has busted out over the last few 1839 01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:06,500 months and it has been a whirlwind I 1840 01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:10,560 asked you this is a few years ago I 1841 01:29:16,430 --> 01:29:14,130 asked you in an opening question I said 1842 01:29:18,890 --> 01:29:16,440 you know Richard you're you're respected 1843 01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:18,900 and and you're the face of ufology and 1844 01:29:24,830 --> 01:29:20,970 we love you for that do you have to 1845 01:29:26,930 --> 01:29:24,840 watch the words that you speak and your 1846 01:29:30,980 --> 01:29:26,940 answer was yes I do 1847 01:29:34,030 --> 01:29:30,990 actually I do yes all the time today 1848 01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:34,040 often don't don't do it well enough well 1849 01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:39,210 which is which is the question today 1850 01:29:48,620 --> 01:29:44,610 where your continued to get yourself 1851 01:29:53,300 --> 01:29:48,630 more solidified in your respect that 1852 01:29:56,270 --> 01:29:53,310 does that open the door to more freedom 1853 01:29:58,880 --> 01:29:56,280 of opinion where you're not you're not 1854 01:30:01,070 --> 01:29:58,890 as careful with your words anymore that 1855 01:30:02,630 --> 01:30:01,080 that you're just gonna lay it out there 1856 01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:02,640 the way that you really think that it 1857 01:30:08,090 --> 01:30:05,610 needs to be said has it changed for you 1858 01:30:13,490 --> 01:30:08,100 over the years what the only thing 1859 01:30:15,710 --> 01:30:13,500 that's changed that is is age so as I it 1860 01:30:18,260 --> 01:30:15,720 has nothing to do with my perceived 1861 01:30:19,580 --> 01:30:18,270 status in this field or not I think it 1862 01:30:21,890 --> 01:30:19,590 actually has to do with just the fact 1863 01:30:28,580 --> 01:30:21,900 that I'm a bit older now mm-hmm 1864 01:30:31,630 --> 01:30:28,590 and and so when I was you know earlier 1865 01:30:36,710 --> 01:30:31,640 on in my career in this I was very 1866 01:30:40,370 --> 01:30:36,720 explicitly conservative in my expression 1867 01:30:42,740 --> 01:30:40,380 of certain you know opinions I had about 1868 01:30:44,030 --> 01:30:42,750 the nature of the UFO phenomenon and so 1869 01:30:47,390 --> 01:30:44,040 on 1870 01:30:49,460 --> 01:30:47,400 but a little bit more than I am now I 1871 01:30:51,620 --> 01:30:49,470 think as I've gotten a little older I I 1872 01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:51,630 feel a little more comfortable in my 1873 01:30:57,350 --> 01:30:53,520 skin talking about this and even talking 1874 01:31:00,320 --> 01:30:57,360 off the cuff so I think that I'm a 1875 01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:00,330 little bit more free to to talk about 1876 01:31:06,020 --> 01:31:02,730 things see I have to be really careful 1877 01:31:08,180 --> 01:31:06,030 I've got to be not just me but anyone is 1878 01:31:12,860 --> 01:31:08,190 a public person you have to be careful 1879 01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:12,870 because a you can easily say the wrong 1880 01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:15,810 thing and in this era it is so easy for 1881 01:31:20,810 --> 01:31:18,090 people to take things you say and take 1882 01:31:22,370 --> 01:31:20,820 them out of context and and really harm 1883 01:31:24,290 --> 01:31:22,380 you with it so you've got to be very 1884 01:31:27,740 --> 01:31:24,300 careful in a way that wasn't the case a 1885 01:31:31,310 --> 01:31:27,750 generation ago and and also there's just 1886 01:31:32,990 --> 01:31:31,320 the responsibility like I I try to be 1887 01:31:35,690 --> 01:31:33,000 very careful with what I say because 1888 01:31:39,050 --> 01:31:35,700 there's there are people out there who 1889 01:31:42,260 --> 01:31:39,060 are new to this subject they don't know 1890 01:31:43,940 --> 01:31:42,270 a lot and they're instinctively they're 1891 01:31:45,770 --> 01:31:43,950 they're going to look for someone that 1892 01:31:48,500 --> 01:31:45,780 they see as an authority and and if they 1893 01:31:51,500 --> 01:31:48,510 see me as an authority I have to be very 1894 01:31:53,810 --> 01:31:51,510 careful and I don't want to abuse that 1895 01:31:56,090 --> 01:31:53,820 trust so I do try to be very careful 1896 01:32:00,470 --> 01:31:56,100 yeah it sounds like you're being careful 1897 01:32:02,630 --> 01:32:00,480 now with what you're trying to say it's 1898 01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:02,640 it's that important I am actually yes 1899 01:32:08,090 --> 01:32:05,130 I'm always trying to be careful I tried 1900 01:32:11,540 --> 01:32:08,100 you know it's just a matter of saying 1901 01:32:14,180 --> 01:32:11,550 what exactly I believe so I try not to 1902 01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:14,190 speak in metaphor that much I try not to 1903 01:32:22,130 --> 01:32:17,850 speak in imagery I try to speak exactly 1904 01:32:23,810 --> 01:32:22,140 what my meaning is and so I'm always 1905 01:32:26,990 --> 01:32:23,820 trying to choose my words carefully am i 1906 01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:27,000 writing and in my speech good day can we 1907 01:32:31,460 --> 01:32:29,040 look forward to the day where your 1908 01:32:35,510 --> 01:32:31,470 cranky old dude and you don't care 1909 01:32:37,340 --> 01:32:35,520 anymore I'm getting there I can assure 1910 01:32:40,630 --> 01:32:37,350 you but even even if I get to be a 1911 01:32:43,970 --> 01:32:40,640 cranky old dude I hope that I'll be 1912 01:32:46,700 --> 01:32:43,980 clear with my meaning and I hope that 1913 01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:46,710 I'll be I'll be precise with what I'm 1914 01:32:51,470 --> 01:32:49,290 trying to say there was a great series 1915 01:32:53,450 --> 01:32:51,480 of articles I'm a big Orwell fan like a 1916 01:32:56,390 --> 01:32:53,460 lot of people are fans of George Orwell 1917 01:32:57,420 --> 01:32:56,400 I'm a huge fan of George Orwell and in 1918 01:33:00,780 --> 01:32:57,430 one of the 1919 01:33:02,700 --> 01:33:00,790 very best essays which is called 1920 01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:02,710 politics and the English language which 1921 01:33:06,750 --> 01:33:04,690 I recommend to everyone who cares about 1922 01:33:09,210 --> 01:33:06,760 clear writing it's a classic 1923 01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:09,220 but one thing Orwell pointed out is is 1924 01:33:15,330 --> 01:33:11,970 like when you're when you're speaking 1925 01:33:18,110 --> 01:33:15,340 you it really helps for you to see 1926 01:33:21,270 --> 01:33:18,120 visually in your head what you're saying 1927 01:33:23,130 --> 01:33:21,280 so because all too often we we use 1928 01:33:25,710 --> 01:33:23,140 prepackaged words and prepackaged 1929 01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:25,720 phrases that are out there to do our 1930 01:33:30,690 --> 01:33:28,810 thinking for us cliches that are just 1931 01:33:32,750 --> 01:33:30,700 readily available and just sort of pick 1932 01:33:34,950 --> 01:33:32,760 them out of the air as it were and and 1933 01:33:36,390 --> 01:33:34,960 you know you said it's almost remarkable 1934 01:33:39,690 --> 01:33:36,400 you can go through an entire sentence 1935 01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:39,700 paragraph page chapter without doing any 1936 01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:40,960 thinking on your own you can just pull 1937 01:33:45,570 --> 01:33:42,970 these phrases out of the air he says the 1938 01:33:48,510 --> 01:33:45,580 real key is to know what you are saying 1939 01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:48,520 at all times to see what you're saying 1940 01:33:53,670 --> 01:33:51,130 and I really I took that to heart so 1941 01:33:55,590 --> 01:33:53,680 that's sometimes why I will be very 1942 01:33:57,660 --> 01:33:55,600 careful with what I'm saying especially 1943 01:33:59,910 --> 01:33:57,670 in something that's important because I 1944 01:34:03,440 --> 01:33:59,920 really want to make sure that what I'm 1945 01:34:06,630 --> 01:34:03,450 saying is exactly what I mean 1946 01:34:08,580 --> 01:34:06,640 that forces me to think about well what 1947 01:34:09,510 --> 01:34:08,590 is it that I mean like I've got it I 1948 01:34:11,430 --> 01:34:09,520 gotta think it through 1949 01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:11,440 and sometimes I don't know what it is 1950 01:34:18,300 --> 01:34:14,800 until I actually stop and and think and 1951 01:34:21,930 --> 01:34:18,310 then I can I can try to explain it in on 1952 01:34:26,820 --> 01:34:21,940 page 15 of the Davis Wilson Docs where 1953 01:34:28,530 --> 01:34:26,830 the the statement is made that came from 1954 01:34:33,060 --> 01:34:28,540 somebody else but nonetheless the 1955 01:34:37,740 --> 01:34:33,070 statement there UFOs are real abductions 1956 01:34:40,590 --> 01:34:37,750 are not what does that statement do and 1957 01:34:42,540 --> 01:34:40,600 what is your opinion on the abduction 1958 01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:42,550 phenomenon you know where we have 1959 01:34:48,870 --> 01:34:44,650 millions of people around the world that 1960 01:34:52,350 --> 01:34:48,880 have had these experiences and you go 1961 01:34:57,570 --> 01:34:52,360 and you read that it seems to conflict 1962 01:35:00,240 --> 01:34:57,580 with with direct experiences and 1963 01:35:03,660 --> 01:35:00,250 testimony of I can't even put a number 1964 01:35:07,950 --> 01:35:03,670 on on how many people well we have to 1965 01:35:10,149 --> 01:35:07,960 remember what that memo is so it's 15 1966 01:35:12,459 --> 01:35:10,159 pages actually 13 pages of notes 1967 01:35:14,949 --> 01:35:12,469 Eric Davis and then a two-page letter 1968 01:35:17,739 --> 01:35:14,959 that he inserted in there so it's 1969 01:35:20,290 --> 01:35:17,749 Davis's notes based on what Wilson 1970 01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:20,300 apparently told him while they were 1971 01:35:25,569 --> 01:35:22,130 sitting in a car for a little over an 1972 01:35:27,580 --> 01:35:25,579 hour and so this is Wilson's information 1973 01:35:29,620 --> 01:35:27,590 as he's getting it from someone else 1974 01:35:32,620 --> 01:35:29,630 high up in the Pentagon who told him 1975 01:35:34,330 --> 01:35:32,630 this that abductions aren't real so 1976 01:35:35,169 --> 01:35:34,340 that's the statement and you can take it 1977 01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:35,179 for what it's worth 1978 01:35:40,569 --> 01:35:37,610 does that mean it's true well it may not 1979 01:35:42,219 --> 01:35:40,579 be true you and I both looked into the 1980 01:35:44,739 --> 01:35:42,229 phenomenon of alien abduction I've 1981 01:35:46,719 --> 01:35:44,749 looked into it and I tend to think that 1982 01:35:49,359 --> 01:35:46,729 it is a true thing that there are 1983 01:35:52,989 --> 01:35:49,369 abductions in fact I would say that I 1984 01:35:55,959 --> 01:35:52,999 believe that you know with a pretty high 1985 01:35:58,270 --> 01:35:55,969 degree of probability so when I read 1986 01:36:00,699 --> 01:35:58,280 that I thought hmm why would why would 1987 01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:00,709 such and such a person say that to 1988 01:36:06,399 --> 01:36:04,610 Admiral Thomas Wilson well maybe he knew 1989 01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:06,409 what he was talking about maybe he 1990 01:36:09,399 --> 01:36:07,760 didn't know what he was talking about if 1991 01:36:11,469 --> 01:36:09,409 he knew what he was talking about maybe 1992 01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:11,479 he was only getting his information from 1993 01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:13,489 a very limited source where did he get 1994 01:36:17,709 --> 01:36:15,650 his information from we have no idea in 1995 01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:17,719 that document in those notes we just 1996 01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:20,449 don't know so I mean for me I could just 1997 01:36:26,699 --> 01:36:22,130 take it as a statement that some guy 1998 01:36:29,169 --> 01:36:26,709 said maybe he's got some backing for it 1999 01:36:30,699 --> 01:36:29,179 and maybe not or maybe he was telling 2000 01:36:33,819 --> 01:36:30,709 Wilson what he wanted Wilson to think 2001 01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:33,829 who knows I don't know and we don't know 2002 01:36:39,790 --> 01:36:37,449 so I I tend not to put a whole lot of 2003 01:36:44,199 --> 01:36:39,800 emphasis on that particular statement 2004 01:36:45,459 --> 01:36:44,209 now what I do you I mean we could say 2005 01:36:47,500 --> 01:36:45,469 the same thing about almost everything 2006 01:36:49,899 --> 01:36:47,510 that's in that document frankly you 2007 01:36:51,879 --> 01:36:49,909 could say that the the guys in the 2008 01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:51,889 private access special access program 2009 01:36:57,580 --> 01:36:55,280 you talked to Wilson were just selling 2010 01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:57,590 Wilson you know some more snake oil and 2011 01:37:01,569 --> 01:36:59,360 just telling him what they wanted to 2012 01:37:02,799 --> 01:37:01,579 think it's entirely possible I mean you 2013 01:37:04,929 --> 01:37:02,809 could you could theorize that they were 2014 01:37:08,020 --> 01:37:04,939 lying to him when they said that they 2015 01:37:11,049 --> 01:37:08,030 had an intact craft that was not from 2016 01:37:13,810 --> 01:37:11,059 any nation on earth not made by human 2017 01:37:16,509 --> 01:37:13,820 hands you know according to the notes 2018 01:37:18,129 --> 01:37:16,519 that's what they told him now you could 2019 01:37:19,089 --> 01:37:18,139 say maybe that's truthful maybe that 2020 01:37:21,159 --> 01:37:19,099 isn't truthful they could have been 2021 01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:21,169 lying to him I tend to think that that 2022 01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:22,610 part was truthful and the reason I think 2023 01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:23,760 so 2024 01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:28,010 meeting with them looking over the 2025 01:37:32,630 --> 01:37:30,570 according to the notes he actually was 2026 01:37:33,860 --> 01:37:32,640 able to look at at least some of the 2027 01:37:35,780 --> 01:37:33,870 lists of the people who were cleared to 2028 01:37:38,510 --> 01:37:35,790 be in the program they apparently had a 2029 01:37:40,910 --> 01:37:38,520 long conversation about this and indeed 2030 01:37:45,110 --> 01:37:40,920 the program excuse me the meeting was 2031 01:37:48,740 --> 01:37:45,120 explicitly prompted by Wilson's belief 2032 01:37:52,100 --> 01:37:48,750 that this was about some kind of et tech 2033 01:37:53,330 --> 01:37:52,110 program so maybe they told him that just 2034 01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:53,340 to get him off their back 2035 01:37:57,650 --> 01:37:55,890 he wasn't cleared to being knowledgeable 2036 01:37:59,810 --> 01:37:57,660 about the program but he was high enough 2037 01:38:01,760 --> 01:37:59,820 that maybe they thought they would throw 2038 01:38:06,820 --> 01:38:01,770 in this bone I don't really know like 2039 01:38:09,860 --> 01:38:06,830 maybe that and that was an interesting 2040 01:38:14,480 --> 01:38:09,870 takeaway for me too in this document in 2041 01:38:16,670 --> 01:38:14,490 that everywhere that Wilson went every 2042 01:38:19,970 --> 01:38:16,680 phone call every conversation he got 2043 01:38:21,500 --> 01:38:19,980 shut down you know and only in the 2044 01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:21,510 aftermath what was interesting in the 2045 01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:23,730 early parts of the notes you know 2046 01:38:29,150 --> 01:38:26,490 Wilson's talking to Secretary of Defense 2047 01:38:30,770 --> 01:38:29,160 William Perry were actually recent 2048 01:38:33,110 --> 01:38:30,780 Secretary of Defense he had just retired 2049 01:38:34,970 --> 01:38:33,120 from that Willie Perry is a he's still 2050 01:38:38,420 --> 01:38:34,980 alive Perry is still alive I think he's 2051 01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:38,430 95 years old now William Perry was and 2052 01:38:43,850 --> 01:38:42,210 is a very impressive man and ran Bill 2053 01:38:45,500 --> 01:38:43,860 Clinton's Defense Department for the 2054 01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:45,510 first couple of years of the Clinton 2055 01:38:50,900 --> 01:38:49,050 White House and did a reorg and this is 2056 01:38:54,220 --> 01:38:50,910 actually according to kid green did a 2057 01:38:57,470 --> 01:38:54,230 reorg of how the special access programs 2058 01:38:59,240 --> 01:38:57,480 were being managed within the Defense 2059 01:39:01,880 --> 01:38:59,250 Department and giving them much much 2060 01:39:04,550 --> 01:39:01,890 greater deeper levels of secrecy and so 2061 01:39:07,130 --> 01:39:04,560 when Wilson I think about midway through 2062 01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:07,140 the document he's asking around for 2063 01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:10,650 advice on how to find this theoretical 2064 01:39:15,980 --> 01:39:13,530 si P the special access program dealing 2065 01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:15,990 with alien technology and Kerry helped 2066 01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:19,290 him in the notes that he said parrot 2067 01:39:23,810 --> 01:39:21,450 William Perry helped me look in the 2068 01:39:27,470 --> 01:39:23,820 right places that was really interesting 2069 01:39:29,900 --> 01:39:27,480 to me and then once he found out yeah he 2070 01:39:34,490 --> 01:39:29,910 was shut down shut down shut down over 2071 01:39:35,860 --> 01:39:34,500 and over again as we as we move forward 2072 01:39:39,610 --> 01:39:35,870 in this 2073 01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:39,620 what appears to me to be disclosure I 2074 01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:42,110 mean I hate to use that word now but 2075 01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:44,770 certainly I feel pretty comfortable 2076 01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:48,110 better now than I ever have in the UFO 2077 01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:50,570 subject and as we move forward then we 2078 01:39:58,780 --> 01:39:54,890 have this other aspect of it where we 2079 01:40:03,430 --> 01:39:58,790 have hybrids and seating programs and a 2080 01:40:06,130 --> 01:40:03,440 worldwide et influence that is you know 2081 01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:06,140 it's it's widely talked about and you 2082 01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:08,090 think about all of the experiencers that 2083 01:40:13,060 --> 01:40:10,010 get together in groups and speak about 2084 01:40:16,570 --> 01:40:13,070 this if this disclosure thing moves 2085 01:40:19,450 --> 01:40:16,580 forward what does that do with all of 2086 01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:19,460 these experiences and seating programs 2087 01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:23,450 and hybrid children stuff does that get 2088 01:40:29,380 --> 01:40:26,210 validated does that does that do those 2089 01:40:30,850 --> 01:40:29,390 people rise up and go see I told you and 2090 01:40:33,940 --> 01:40:30,860 that's a whole nother part of this that 2091 01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:33,950 needs to be talked about and and brought 2092 01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:34,850 out into the open 2093 01:40:39,210 --> 01:40:37,250 I don't I don't know it's a really good 2094 01:40:40,990 --> 01:40:39,220 question it's an important question 2095 01:40:42,610 --> 01:40:41,000 we're at a point where we've got 2096 01:40:45,460 --> 01:40:42,620 different tendencies going on right now 2097 01:40:49,750 --> 01:40:45,470 so and one is you've got you've got the 2098 01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:49,760 folks in TTS a which I have long seen as 2099 01:40:55,030 --> 01:40:52,130 not as a CIA operation I think that's 2100 01:40:57,070 --> 01:40:55,040 totally wrong totally wrong I see them 2101 01:40:58,510 --> 01:40:57,080 as a faction that has connections with 2102 01:41:00,370 --> 01:40:58,520 the intelligence community military 2103 01:41:01,660 --> 01:41:00,380 community and they've got their allies 2104 01:41:03,130 --> 01:41:01,670 in the media they've got their allies in 2105 01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:03,140 Congress and they let their allies 2106 01:41:06,820 --> 01:41:04,970 elsewhere and they're getting a 2107 01:41:09,130 --> 01:41:06,830 disclosure narrative out there for their 2108 01:41:11,650 --> 01:41:09,140 own purposes which we can get into some 2109 01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:11,660 time and they're pushing this forward 2110 01:41:16,300 --> 01:41:14,090 and they're making some progress there 2111 01:41:19,630 --> 01:41:16,310 at the same time there are cultural 2112 01:41:23,770 --> 01:41:19,640 things going on in terms of the ability 2113 01:41:25,780 --> 01:41:23,780 to share information our global 2114 01:41:28,410 --> 01:41:25,790 connectivity and that's what led to the 2115 01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:28,420 leak of some of Edgar Mitchell's papers 2116 01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:30,800 so these are pushing things in a certain 2117 01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:34,730 direction and I I wondered if there 2118 01:41:39,070 --> 01:41:36,650 might be a rollback of that but I don't 2119 01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:39,080 think so I think we're moving forward 2120 01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:40,490 now I think there's some traction here 2121 01:41:44,620 --> 01:41:42,530 and there's a feedback loop going on 2122 01:41:48,070 --> 01:41:44,630 with all this information coming on at 2123 01:41:49,429 --> 01:41:48,080 the same time however when you think 2124 01:41:51,709 --> 01:41:49,439 about the UFO secret 2125 01:41:53,810 --> 01:41:51,719 you're seeing something that's deeply 2126 01:41:56,770 --> 01:41:53,820 deeply privatized something that I've 2127 01:41:59,899 --> 01:41:56,780 been recently calling legal illegalities 2128 01:42:01,790 --> 01:41:59,909 in other words you know look at the 2129 01:42:06,319 --> 01:42:01,800 example within the Wilson document the 2130 01:42:07,580 --> 01:42:06,329 Wilson notes where he's he's deputy head 2131 01:42:10,009 --> 01:42:07,590 of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of 2132 01:42:12,199 --> 01:42:10,019 Staff he believed he had the ability at 2133 01:42:15,500 --> 01:42:12,209 least to monitor this program and he was 2134 01:42:18,259 --> 01:42:15,510 not at all and in fact it turns out like 2135 01:42:19,580 --> 01:42:18,269 a very very few people seem to have any 2136 01:42:22,909 --> 01:42:19,590 authority over that at all it's all 2137 01:42:24,830 --> 01:42:22,919 private contractors all US government is 2138 01:42:26,929 --> 01:42:24,840 basically providing money and 2139 01:42:29,029 --> 01:42:26,939 infrastructure from major private 2140 01:42:32,029 --> 01:42:29,039 defense contractors to reverse-engineer 2141 01:42:33,919 --> 01:42:32,039 and study this stuff and does the US 2142 01:42:35,929 --> 01:42:33,929 government even does the US military 2143 01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:35,939 ever benefit from it is a really 2144 01:42:42,830 --> 01:42:38,130 important question to ask and the answer 2145 01:42:44,659 --> 01:42:42,840 is possibly not it's possibly it very 2146 01:42:46,429 --> 01:42:44,669 possibly for all we know stays within 2147 01:42:49,399 --> 01:42:46,439 the private world that's an interesting 2148 01:42:52,279 --> 01:42:49,409 thing so on the one hand informations 2149 01:42:55,159 --> 01:42:52,289 coming out but on the other hand how 2150 01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:55,169 much knowledge does even a United States 2151 01:43:01,129 --> 01:42:57,840 President or a Secretary of Defense or 2152 01:43:04,159 --> 01:43:01,139 CIA director have about this the answer 2153 01:43:06,830 --> 01:43:04,169 is we don't know we don't know how much 2154 01:43:09,409 --> 01:43:06,840 they know and how much their authority 2155 01:43:10,969 --> 01:43:09,419 is legally at least officially you could 2156 01:43:12,379 --> 01:43:10,979 say the United States president would 2157 01:43:14,270 --> 01:43:12,389 have the authority to issue executive 2158 01:43:17,929 --> 01:43:14,280 orders and get this out but is that 2159 01:43:19,699 --> 01:43:17,939 really the case is it really true you 2160 01:43:22,729 --> 01:43:19,709 know I interviewed a man over a decade 2161 01:43:26,179 --> 01:43:22,739 ago retired Air Force high-level officer 2162 01:43:29,509 --> 01:43:26,189 PhD smart man who was all over this 2163 01:43:32,060 --> 01:43:29,519 subject of UFOs and told me that he on 2164 01:43:34,939 --> 01:43:32,070 one occasion interviewed a dying man who 2165 01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:34,949 had been at Roswell in a house in a 2166 01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:37,199 military hospital in a secure facility 2167 01:43:42,109 --> 01:43:39,570 accompanied by Air Force police and he 2168 01:43:44,029 --> 01:43:42,119 interviewed this man and this man had 2169 01:43:46,219 --> 01:43:44,039 been at Roswell and in and the 2170 01:43:47,959 --> 01:43:46,229 high-level officer said to me I believed 2171 01:43:50,299 --> 01:43:47,969 him I mean everything seemed to check 2172 01:43:52,669 --> 01:43:50,309 out and and he said at the end of our 2173 01:43:54,739 --> 01:43:52,679 conversation I I just offered the 2174 01:43:56,029 --> 01:43:54,749 opinion to this man and I said it's 2175 01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:56,039 really too bad that the world doesn't 2176 01:43:59,509 --> 01:43:57,570 know about all that you did it's heroic 2177 01:44:00,889 --> 01:43:59,519 and it's an amazing part of our history 2178 01:44:02,850 --> 01:44:00,899 and they'll never know wouldn't it be 2179 01:44:04,620 --> 01:44:02,860 great if there was a 2180 01:44:06,750 --> 01:44:04,630 residential executive order that would 2181 01:44:08,879 --> 01:44:06,760 liberate you from your secrecy oath and 2182 01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:08,889 he said the man scoffed and chuckled he 2183 01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:10,690 said huh it would take a hell of a lot 2184 01:44:16,620 --> 01:44:13,690 more than a presidential executive order 2185 01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:16,630 to liberate me from my secrecy oath 2186 01:44:21,629 --> 01:44:19,449 that's what this guy said when I asked I 2187 01:44:23,310 --> 01:44:21,639 asked the airforce officer 2188 01:44:24,689 --> 01:44:23,320 well what do you think he meant he said 2189 01:44:26,430 --> 01:44:24,699 what do you think he meant and we both 2190 01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:26,440 talked and we thought well you know 2191 01:44:29,220 --> 01:44:28,090 there's people like the Bilderberg Group 2192 01:44:31,859 --> 01:44:29,230 and there's people who are behind the 2193 01:44:34,140 --> 01:44:31,869 u.s. presidents and we both assume that 2194 01:44:37,350 --> 01:44:34,150 that's what we're talking about this 2195 01:44:40,100 --> 01:44:37,360 this secret I firmly believe goes beyond 2196 01:44:42,510 --> 01:44:40,110 our formal political and institutional 2197 01:44:44,729 --> 01:44:42,520 authorities and it's it's gone into 2198 01:44:45,330 --> 01:44:44,739 places that we we don't know how to get 2199 01:44:48,359 --> 01:44:45,340 back at it 2200 01:44:49,950 --> 01:44:48,369 there's there are legal issues we have 2201 01:44:51,629 --> 01:44:49,960 to resolve here we've got to be able to 2202 01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:51,639 find a way to get through the special 2203 01:44:56,430 --> 01:44:54,880 access programs to get access to the 2204 01:45:00,090 --> 01:44:56,440 information that's in there and right 2205 01:45:02,850 --> 01:45:00,100 now it seems to me we just don't we just 2206 01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:02,860 don't and and so in the white hand 2207 01:45:06,629 --> 01:45:04,480 you've got this cultural movement toward 2208 01:45:09,540 --> 01:45:06,639 let's call it a disclosure or let's call 2209 01:45:11,550 --> 01:45:09,550 it an openness of some sort about UFOs 2210 01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:11,560 sure I think we can see that on the 2211 01:45:17,129 --> 01:45:14,730 other hand we're in an era of you know 2212 01:45:19,020 --> 01:45:17,139 fake democracy we don't really have 2213 01:45:22,140 --> 01:45:19,030 democracy haven't had that for who knows 2214 01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:22,150 how long we have an oligarchy obviously 2215 01:45:26,910 --> 01:45:24,489 in which a very small group of people 2216 01:45:29,729 --> 01:45:26,920 are running things and not only that 2217 01:45:31,260 --> 01:45:29,739 they're operating by and large outside 2218 01:45:33,060 --> 01:45:31,270 the governmental system with 2219 01:45:34,050 --> 01:45:33,070 governmental military protection and 2220 01:45:36,810 --> 01:45:34,060 with our money 2221 01:45:40,010 --> 01:45:36,820 to help fund them how do you get of 2222 01:45:42,300 --> 01:45:40,020 these people like that's the question so 2223 01:45:43,950 --> 01:45:42,310 on the one hand yet we're getting more 2224 01:45:45,660 --> 01:45:43,960 information out but on the other hand it 2225 01:45:48,570 --> 01:45:45,670 doesn't look to me that we've got a good 2226 01:45:51,030 --> 01:45:48,580 way to grab hold of this and understand 2227 01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:51,040 and then the whole issue of abductions 2228 01:46:01,250 --> 01:45:56,170 encounters experiences like we need a 2229 01:46:04,530 --> 01:46:01,260 serious level of leaks whistleblowers 2230 01:46:07,140 --> 01:46:04,540 credible whistleblowers not the non 2231 01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:07,150 credible kind we need genuinely credible 2232 01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:11,170 whistleblowers and genuine leaks of the 2233 01:46:15,270 --> 01:46:13,090 kind that we're starting to get and we 2234 01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:15,280 just need a lot more of them until we 2235 01:46:19,740 --> 01:46:16,449 get some kind of critical mass 2236 01:46:21,689 --> 01:46:19,750 and then what will happen well then 2237 01:46:24,240 --> 01:46:21,699 we're going to get to a collision of 2238 01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:24,250 some sort within our greater Society of 2239 01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:31,570 this truth that will be forming in the 2240 01:46:39,030 --> 01:46:34,449 public mind and the reality that we 2241 01:46:40,620 --> 01:46:39,040 don't have access to it and I fear the 2242 01:46:46,110 --> 01:46:40,630 results of that collision to be 2243 01:46:48,300 --> 01:46:46,120 perfectly honest with you but I want to 2244 01:46:52,470 --> 01:46:48,310 go back to your point on TTS a which is 2245 01:46:55,380 --> 01:46:52,480 yeah if if Tom DeLonge steps to the side 2246 01:46:56,880 --> 01:46:55,390 right he goes out angel in airwaves he 2247 01:46:59,850 --> 01:46:56,890 goes back to blink-182 2248 01:47:06,320 --> 01:46:59,860 and he's any soonest thing and Jim semi 2249 01:47:11,610 --> 01:47:06,330 van takes it over they are nearly a 100% 2250 01:47:14,939 --> 01:47:11,620 CIA counterintelligence staffed company 2251 01:47:16,740 --> 01:47:14,949 at that point do you still trust the 2252 01:47:20,939 --> 01:47:16,750 narrative and the message coming out of 2253 01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:20,949 TTS a if you don't even have a say it's 2254 01:47:25,140 --> 01:47:23,530 you've got it the first order of 2255 01:47:27,390 --> 01:47:25,150 business is to listen to what they're 2256 01:47:30,330 --> 01:47:27,400 saying and to look at the information 2257 01:47:31,860 --> 01:47:30,340 and to judge the data right all right so 2258 01:47:33,510 --> 01:47:31,870 if we're not doing that then we're doing 2259 01:47:34,890 --> 01:47:33,520 it all wrong so we have to understand 2260 01:47:38,490 --> 01:47:34,900 what are they saying what is their 2261 01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:38,500 information and can we analyze judge 2262 01:47:44,250 --> 01:47:41,440 that information before 82 then then 2263 01:47:45,810 --> 01:47:44,260 fine then talk right the fact is there's 2264 01:47:46,890 --> 01:47:45,820 always gonna be people inside the 2265 01:47:48,959 --> 01:47:46,900 intelligence community and there's 2266 01:47:51,090 --> 01:47:48,969 always gonna be different angles and 2267 01:47:52,770 --> 01:47:51,100 different they're not all the same it's 2268 01:47:54,060 --> 01:47:52,780 not all a monolithic community no one 2269 01:47:55,800 --> 01:47:54,070 believes that 2270 01:47:58,500 --> 01:47:55,810 how could anyone possibly that you got 2271 01:48:00,450 --> 01:47:58,510 CIA and NSA they're competitors the FBI 2272 01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:00,460 is a competitor they compete with each 2273 01:48:04,220 --> 01:48:02,650 other for money and for prestige they're 2274 01:48:06,390 --> 01:48:04,230 all going against each other frequently 2275 01:48:10,229 --> 01:48:06,400 so obviously there's going to be 2276 01:48:13,979 --> 01:48:10,239 different agendas within that so I have 2277 01:48:16,770 --> 01:48:13,989 to say this too to dismiss automatically 2278 01:48:18,510 --> 01:48:16,780 in knee-jerk fashion someone because you 2279 01:48:20,370 --> 01:48:18,520 don't like the organization they're from 2280 01:48:24,900 --> 01:48:20,380 that's a really big mistake we do that 2281 01:48:27,140 --> 01:48:24,910 too much in our society already we're 2282 01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:27,150 not talking about Ford or General 2283 01:48:32,959 --> 01:48:29,280 Motors okay we're talking about the CIA 2284 01:48:35,930 --> 01:48:32,969 and always comes down to the same thing 2285 01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:35,940 what are they saying can we can we judge 2286 01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:39,920 can we can we test their information 2287 01:48:44,930 --> 01:48:42,330 alright and if we're able to then I 2288 01:48:47,890 --> 01:48:44,940 would just say keep talking is that 2289 01:48:50,780 --> 01:48:47,900 simple well if there was a company a 2290 01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:50,790 film production company here in 2291 01:48:58,160 --> 01:48:54,239 Hollywood that was staffed with the very 2292 01:49:02,660 --> 01:48:58,170 same people right and they're cranking 2293 01:49:04,899 --> 01:49:02,670 out films with a message and we would 2294 01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:04,909 step back and go come on 2295 01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:09,650 well it's the same thing with TTS a 2296 01:49:14,300 --> 01:49:12,690 don't don't judge their spin I'm not 2297 01:49:16,370 --> 01:49:14,310 saying don't analyze their spin I do it 2298 01:49:18,290 --> 01:49:16,380 all the time they have a spin they've 2299 01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:18,300 got a very definite take on this and 2300 01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:22,050 it's very carefully manicured right it's 2301 01:49:27,590 --> 01:49:24,719 a very carefully manicured message so 2302 01:49:31,100 --> 01:49:27,600 we're allowed to critique that but we're 2303 01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:31,110 also foolish if we don't look at the 2304 01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:32,850 information they provide with us that is 2305 01:49:37,130 --> 01:49:35,010 and you know information on the tic-tac 2306 01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:37,140 UFO encounter information on the USS 2307 01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:41,040 Roosevelt encounters insights into crash 2308 01:49:47,209 --> 01:49:44,489 retrievals and secrecy and metamaterials 2309 01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:47,219 all those are worth our attention and I 2310 01:49:51,860 --> 01:49:49,650 just maintain that we are foolish if we 2311 01:49:53,810 --> 01:49:51,870 ignore that at the expense of saying oh 2312 01:49:55,310 --> 01:49:53,820 they're CIA so let's not listen to them 2313 01:49:55,729 --> 01:49:55,320 to me that's just going about it the 2314 01:49:58,729 --> 01:49:55,739 wrong way 2315 01:50:01,250 --> 01:49:58,739 no I'm saying a trust then verify that's 2316 01:50:03,740 --> 01:50:01,260 my thing I I mean to say that I say 2317 01:50:09,770 --> 01:50:03,750 analyze the information and then make up 2318 01:50:12,979 --> 01:50:09,780 a decision and the you know what Richard 2319 01:50:14,630 --> 01:50:12,989 we could just keep on going and and and 2320 01:50:18,350 --> 01:50:14,640 I won't do that to you my friend I 2321 01:50:21,350 --> 01:50:18,360 really won't enjoy the rest of your 2322 01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:21,360 vacation and and hang out hang out with 2323 01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:22,890 Tracy and have a great time thank you so 2324 01:50:26,229 --> 01:50:23,520 much 2325 01:50:30,169 --> 01:50:26,239 and really quick when is your next 2326 01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:30,179 livestream can you announce that yeah I 2327 01:50:33,860 --> 01:50:31,770 think Tuesday I think Tracy and I are 2328 01:50:35,450 --> 01:50:33,870 doing an intelligent disclosure well are 2329 01:50:37,239 --> 01:50:35,460 our vacation ends tomorrow we're gonna 2330 01:50:40,750 --> 01:50:37,249 be driving back but 2331 01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:40,760 I'll probably do a livestream with Tracy 2332 01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:42,530 on Tuesday and that's on our YouTube 2333 01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:44,570 channel there you go have a safe drive 2334 01:50:49,149 --> 01:50:46,130 thank you so much Richard 2335 01:50:51,459 --> 01:50:49,159 great great conversation as always keep 2336 01:50:52,419 --> 01:50:51,469 doing your thing thank you so much same 2337 01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:52,429 here Jamie thanks a lot 2338 01:50:56,350 --> 01:50:54,650 right on Richard Dolan and I'm gonna 2339 01:50:58,359 --> 01:50:56,360 take my break right here thank you so 2340 01:51:00,580 --> 01:50:58,369 much Richard Thank You Tracy 2341 01:51:03,069 --> 01:51:00,590 enjoy your drive back of course 2342 01:51:05,620 --> 01:51:03,079 everything is right there at Jimmy 2343 01:51:07,450 --> 01:51:05,630 Church radio calm you can go and and 2344 01:51:10,029 --> 01:51:07,460 reach out to Richard his YouTube channel 2345 01:51:13,419 --> 01:51:10,039 and everything else is right there at 2346 01:51:15,310 --> 01:51:13,429 Jimmy Choo radio calm I'm going to take 2347 01:51:17,529 --> 01:51:15,320 a break and come back and open up the 2348 01:51:19,779 --> 01:51:17,539 phone lines I know everybody's got 2349 01:51:22,359 --> 01:51:19,789 something to say about this conversation 2350 01:51:26,630 --> 01:51:22,369 tonight it was good I'll be right back 2351 01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:36,689 [Music] 2352 01:51:42,669 --> 01:51:38,830 welcome back fade to black 2353 01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:42,679 thank you Richard bleep indolence that 2354 01:51:49,959 --> 01:51:47,050 was a great conversation perfect really 2355 01:51:54,009 --> 01:51:49,969 phone lines are open seven four seven 2356 01:51:55,779 --> 01:51:54,019 two two eight two zero five one seven 2357 01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:55,789 four seven two two eight two zero five 2358 01:51:58,810 --> 01:51:56,090 one 2359 01:52:02,169 --> 01:51:58,820 lots of takeaways I've got on this I 2360 01:52:07,089 --> 01:52:02,179 want to I want your opinions and what 2361 01:52:11,529 --> 01:52:07,099 was just discussed KITT Green was very 2362 01:52:17,109 --> 01:52:11,539 very interesting the United States Navy 2363 01:52:19,750 --> 01:52:17,119 and you ApS very very interesting alien 2364 01:52:21,549 --> 01:52:19,760 hybrids and seeding programs very very 2365 01:52:27,100 --> 01:52:21,559 interesting great way to close out the 2366 01:52:30,339 --> 01:52:27,110 show abductions disclosure and and where 2367 01:52:36,939 --> 01:52:30,349 we are headed and I thought all of that 2368 01:52:42,549 --> 01:52:36,949 was a spot on spot on I I you know and 2369 01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:42,559 TTS a right the the the point as we 2370 01:52:48,549 --> 01:52:45,730 close out the show speaking about TTS a 2371 01:52:51,339 --> 01:52:48,559 again seven four seven two two eight two 2372 01:52:53,770 --> 01:52:51,349 zero five one all of the phone lines are 2373 01:52:56,140 --> 01:52:53,780 open right now seven four seven two two 2374 01:52:58,899 --> 01:52:56,150 eight two zero five one and normally 2375 01:53:03,160 --> 01:52:58,909 after a Richard Dolan design the 2376 01:53:05,220 --> 01:53:03,170 switchboard here is jammed and it's it 2377 01:53:07,779 --> 01:53:05,230 is not right now I'm in Turin 2378 01:53:11,529 --> 01:53:07,789 that's a pretty interesting take away 2379 01:53:13,750 --> 01:53:11,539 are you guys okay seven four seven two 2380 01:53:18,220 --> 01:53:13,760 two eight two zero five one see whenever 2381 01:53:22,060 --> 01:53:18,230 that happens I always think it's me all 2382 01:53:24,549 --> 01:53:22,070 right let's go back to TTS a I brought 2383 01:53:31,410 --> 01:53:24,559 up the point and it's a real one it's a 2384 01:53:36,879 --> 01:53:31,420 real point if Tom DeLonge walks away and 2385 01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:36,889 Jim semi van takes over right if Jim 2386 01:53:50,100 --> 01:53:42,810 semi van walks in and now it is suddenly 2387 01:53:53,910 --> 01:53:50,110 a CIA staffed how do I say this 2388 01:53:57,630 --> 01:53:53,920 counterintelligence staffed DoD staffed 2389 01:54:01,170 --> 01:53:57,640 company if if that doesn't raise alarms 2390 01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:01,180 the same thing if a Hollywood production 2391 01:54:07,020 --> 01:54:03,970 company a film company had the same type 2392 01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:07,030 of staff with the same layout of 2393 01:54:14,250 --> 01:54:11,530 everybody top to bottom what would we do 2394 01:54:16,260 --> 01:54:14,260 with their films how would we consider 2395 01:54:18,780 --> 01:54:16,270 that all right 2396 01:54:20,910 --> 01:54:18,790 it would just be looking yeah you know I 2397 01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:20,920 don't know I don't know very very 2398 01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:23,890 slanted the other thing that I wanted to 2399 01:54:29,100 --> 01:54:26,050 get to Richard and everybody that is on 2400 01:54:30,270 --> 01:54:29,110 hold stay right there Scott I see you 2401 01:54:39,900 --> 01:54:30,280 I'm gonna put you on hold you're going 2402 01:54:43,340 --> 01:54:39,910 to be up next is if if I just want to 2403 01:54:51,950 --> 01:54:43,350 say this in the in the kindest gentlest 2404 01:54:56,460 --> 01:54:51,960 way if you are wrestling a narrative and 2405 01:54:58,200 --> 01:54:56,470 your spin on a subject in this case it's 2406 01:54:59,940 --> 01:54:58,210 UFOs but it could be anything it could 2407 01:55:00,300 --> 01:54:59,950 be religion it could be science it could 2408 01:55:03,150 --> 01:55:00,310 be 2409 01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:03,160 car tires it doesn't matter where you 2410 01:55:09,750 --> 01:55:07,930 want to be the de facto monopoly on the 2411 01:55:12,420 --> 01:55:09,760 information and nothing else is 2412 01:55:15,660 --> 01:55:12,430 considered right only you are right 2413 01:55:19,980 --> 01:55:15,670 everybody else is wrong and only listen 2414 01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:19,990 to us that is where that's that's that's 2415 01:55:25,050 --> 01:55:22,810 where I throw up the red flags I mean 2416 01:55:28,140 --> 01:55:25,060 there isn't any consideration for 2417 01:55:30,150 --> 01:55:28,150 anything else so there you go all right 2418 01:55:34,170 --> 01:55:30,160 let's go to the phones what's up Scott 2419 01:55:36,660 --> 01:55:34,180 how you doing Jimmy you debar baby how 2420 01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:36,670 you doing I know that I'm doing all 2421 01:55:42,450 --> 01:55:40,450 right man I know listen 2422 01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:42,460 I gotta throw this one out for the 2423 01:55:49,490 --> 01:55:45,490 Hoosiers okay okay there's too many damn 2424 01:55:56,419 --> 01:55:54,660 secrets with what well behind the gates 2425 01:55:58,009 --> 01:55:56,429 we got UFOs 2426 01:56:00,529 --> 01:55:58,019 everywhere and I think our government 2427 01:56:02,929 --> 01:56:00,539 knows exactly who these people are but 2428 01:56:03,890 --> 01:56:02,939 they're not telling anyone and like a 2429 01:56:06,979 --> 01:56:03,900 bunch of puppets 2430 01:56:09,199 --> 01:56:06,989 what is this dip that this information 2431 01:56:09,709 --> 01:56:09,209 like the knick Redford's talked about 2432 01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:09,719 the other night 2433 01:56:13,729 --> 01:56:12,090 but do you think it's by the Russians 2434 01:56:16,549 --> 01:56:13,739 that are trying to flow us off with all 2435 01:56:18,679 --> 01:56:16,559 the impose while we're doing the same 2436 01:56:21,469 --> 01:56:18,689 things with the Russians too as well and 2437 01:56:25,339 --> 01:56:21,479 the rest of the plan of course yeah not 2438 01:56:30,799 --> 01:56:25,349 only with UFOs but with anything it's a 2439 01:56:33,169 --> 01:56:30,809 constant when you look at all of the 2440 01:56:36,649 --> 01:56:33,179 media government-run or allegedly 2441 01:56:39,799 --> 01:56:36,659 privately run it doesn't matter 2442 01:56:43,069 --> 01:56:39,809 that you are running everything through 2443 01:56:44,779 --> 01:56:43,079 a filter every press conference every 2444 01:56:47,290 --> 01:56:44,789 release every statement from the 2445 01:56:50,390 --> 01:56:47,300 Department of Defense or the energy 2446 01:56:52,279 --> 01:56:50,400 industry pharmaceutical it doesn't 2447 01:56:55,189 --> 01:56:52,289 matter whether right it doesn't matter 2448 01:56:57,859 --> 01:56:55,199 science and education everything has got 2449 01:57:00,649 --> 01:56:57,869 to be run through a filter to see where 2450 01:57:05,839 --> 01:57:00,659 the real truth is because you want 2451 01:57:09,169 --> 01:57:05,849 anybody else out there to get thrown off 2452 01:57:10,669 --> 01:57:09,179 that the the the real truth you know 2453 01:57:13,640 --> 01:57:10,679 throwing off the scent throwing off the 2454 01:57:17,060 --> 01:57:13,650 trail that's that's a fact you know so 2455 01:57:19,009 --> 01:57:17,070 what this about life against light 2456 01:57:20,989 --> 01:57:19,019 countries against countries or is this 2457 01:57:23,060 --> 01:57:20,999 something else that we have to hide 2458 01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:23,070 ourselves from other entities coming in 2459 01:57:31,370 --> 01:57:27,090 well okay all right look at it this way 2460 01:57:34,250 --> 01:57:31,380 Scott and I I talked about this so much 2461 01:57:37,399 --> 01:57:34,260 for so long that I thought that 2462 01:57:40,910 --> 01:57:37,409 everybody understood what I was trying 2463 01:57:43,129 --> 01:57:40,920 to say but if we go back okay let's it 2464 01:57:47,689 --> 01:57:43,139 let's go back for a second and and and 2465 01:57:49,370 --> 01:57:47,699 analyze this for real the banking system 2466 01:57:52,600 --> 01:57:49,380 I don't want to sound like David Icke I 2467 01:57:55,969 --> 01:57:52,610 don't want to sound like monetary Jones 2468 01:57:59,810 --> 01:57:55,979 Alex Jones I don't want to go there I 2469 01:58:04,580 --> 01:57:59,820 just want to state the facts and there 2470 01:58:06,799 --> 01:58:04,590 are a couple of banking families it 2471 01:58:09,109 --> 01:58:06,809 doesn't matter the names in fact a 2472 01:58:09,670 --> 01:58:09,119 couple of you don't even know no no no 2473 01:58:12,850 --> 01:58:09,680 well 2474 01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:12,860 possibly I mean that yes but that that's 2475 01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:15,050 easy but there are other names out there 2476 01:58:22,260 --> 01:58:17,450 that you've never even heard of okay all 2477 01:58:26,440 --> 01:58:22,270 right so that being said those banking 2478 01:58:29,860 --> 01:58:26,450 families have investments through 2479 01:58:33,970 --> 01:58:29,870 corporate entities and investment funds 2480 01:58:38,340 --> 01:58:33,980 around the world that are very old that 2481 01:58:43,560 --> 01:58:38,350 quite frankly have bought up everything 2482 01:58:52,590 --> 01:58:43,570 so when you look at something like 2483 01:58:57,910 --> 01:58:52,600 Reuters API right United Press right 2484 01:59:04,570 --> 01:58:57,920 they are owned by one company now that 2485 01:59:13,240 --> 01:59:04,580 one company that one now owns the major 2486 01:59:18,570 --> 01:59:13,250 news wires that feed RT BBC Sky News Fox 2487 01:59:23,560 --> 01:59:18,580 MSNBC CNN all are fed the same 2488 01:59:24,630 --> 01:59:23,570 information from the same source so that 2489 01:59:29,380 --> 01:59:24,640 part of it 2490 01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:29,390 that it's a it's a genuine monopoly so 2491 01:59:36,460 --> 01:59:32,690 that news is fed around the world and is 2492 01:59:41,350 --> 01:59:36,470 controlled by somebody well above and 2493 01:59:43,570 --> 01:59:41,360 well outside of the White House and what 2494 01:59:46,030 --> 01:59:43,580 web do we leave what I'm trying to 2495 01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:46,040 suggest to you is this what we need to 2496 01:59:51,340 --> 01:59:48,170 fully understand this is not a 2497 01:59:54,850 --> 01:59:51,350 conspiracy thing this is an one world 2498 01:59:55,630 --> 01:59:54,860 order new world order Illuminati crazy 2499 02:00:00,010 --> 01:59:55,640 talk 2500 02:00:04,390 --> 02:00:00,020 this is the facts this is black and 2501 02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:04,400 white all right this isn't I'm not Alex 2502 02:00:07,870 --> 02:00:05,810 Jones that's not what I'm suggesting 2503 02:00:13,420 --> 02:00:07,880 here what I'm telling you is your facts 2504 02:00:18,580 --> 02:00:13,430 so when you have the news taken over by 2505 02:00:23,170 --> 02:00:18,590 one company and their motivation which 2506 02:00:23,850 --> 02:00:23,180 is obviously money and and the 2507 02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:23,860 domination 2508 02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:27,730 of world markets that is well beyond and 2509 02:00:32,220 --> 02:00:29,770 outside of everything that you can 2510 02:00:34,920 --> 02:00:32,230 conceive up outside of hedge funds 2511 02:00:38,070 --> 02:00:34,930 outside of the stock market outside of 2512 02:00:40,680 --> 02:00:38,080 all its above all of that that is the 2513 02:00:46,410 --> 02:00:40,690 money that is moved around the world 2514 02:00:50,070 --> 02:00:46,420 period and if they they directly own the 2515 02:00:53,970 --> 02:00:50,080 news then the news that they feed only 2516 02:00:58,140 --> 02:00:53,980 benefits them and that same news that 2517 02:01:02,310 --> 02:00:58,150 they are control of feeds Moscow feeds 2518 02:01:04,260 --> 02:01:02,320 the United States feeds and that's 2519 02:01:06,120 --> 02:01:04,270 that's the but that's it 2520 02:01:13,290 --> 02:01:06,130 that's it there isn't anything else to 2521 02:01:16,520 --> 02:01:13,300 discuss so the the that money that very 2522 02:01:20,940 --> 02:01:16,530 money that I'm talking about also 2523 02:01:22,980 --> 02:01:20,950 through industry not only controls the 2524 02:01:26,040 --> 02:01:22,990 petroleum and energy markets but they 2525 02:01:28,050 --> 02:01:26,050 control the health markets and the 2526 02:01:31,080 --> 02:01:28,060 pharmaceuticals all of this is owned by 2527 02:01:33,870 --> 02:01:31,090 somebody else and and when you filter 2528 02:01:36,240 --> 02:01:33,880 down through that then it comes down to 2529 02:01:39,090 --> 02:01:36,250 bullets and missiles and shipbuilding 2530 02:01:42,660 --> 02:01:39,100 and arming and armies and wars and 2531 02:01:45,480 --> 02:01:42,670 everything else and a war goes off they 2532 02:01:49,170 --> 02:01:45,490 are selling bullets literally to both 2533 02:01:51,390 --> 02:01:49,180 armies the more bullets fired yeah the 2534 02:01:54,300 --> 02:01:51,400 more profit that they make how is this 2535 02:01:57,180 --> 02:01:54,310 motivated and and how is it instigated 2536 02:01:59,460 --> 02:01:57,190 well they control the news and they're 2537 02:02:03,030 --> 02:01:59,470 flaming out both sides and the red 2538 02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:03,040 pilling everybody and that that that is 2539 02:02:11,640 --> 02:02:07,570 way above the the Oval Office it's way 2540 02:02:15,060 --> 02:02:11,650 above any monarchy that that is out 2541 02:02:22,920 --> 02:02:15,070 there or the Kremlin or Beijing or Hong 2542 02:02:26,160 --> 02:02:22,930 Kong or Tokyo Johannesburg oh what a 2543 02:02:28,500 --> 02:02:26,170 sick and demented world that we live in 2544 02:02:31,209 --> 02:02:28,510 and you have no wonder why these 2545 02:02:38,020 --> 02:02:31,219 entities are coming down here well see 2546 02:02:39,729 --> 02:02:38,030 this is the the other side of of this 2547 02:02:45,640 --> 02:02:39,739 that we have to take a serious look at 2548 02:02:48,459 --> 02:02:45,650 is that these families that have been 2549 02:02:51,250 --> 02:02:48,469 established for you know hundreds and 2550 02:02:53,380 --> 02:02:51,260 hundreds and hundreds of years and the 2551 02:02:55,959 --> 02:02:53,390 trading in the banking system and the 2552 02:02:58,300 --> 02:02:55,969 manufacturing and and the farms and the 2553 02:03:01,750 --> 02:02:58,310 feeding of the world all of everything 2554 02:03:06,040 --> 02:03:01,760 that is the loans and and stuff this 2555 02:03:08,290 --> 02:03:06,050 goes back a long long ways so these guys 2556 02:03:11,020 --> 02:03:08,300 that brought humanity well these guys 2557 02:03:14,410 --> 02:03:11,030 that egotistical to shut us down 2558 02:03:20,620 --> 02:03:14,420 it's Scott Scott we're getting ahead of 2559 02:03:23,650 --> 02:03:20,630 our skis the influences and the the 2560 02:03:26,890 --> 02:03:23,660 motivation and the belief system that 2561 02:03:28,660 --> 02:03:26,900 was established for them goes back 2562 02:03:31,689 --> 02:03:28,670 hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of 2563 02:03:35,740 --> 02:03:31,699 years is it is it a religious decision 2564 02:03:39,610 --> 02:03:35,750 is it is it an off planet influence is 2565 02:03:44,439 --> 02:03:39,620 it something else is it is it some kind 2566 02:03:47,020 --> 02:03:44,449 of a cult alchemical the thing you know 2567 02:03:50,110 --> 02:03:47,030 I don't have those answers and the 2568 02:03:54,490 --> 02:03:50,120 reason why we will probably never have 2569 02:03:58,180 --> 02:03:54,500 those answers these are people that none 2570 02:04:01,300 --> 02:03:58,190 of us will ever know we will never meet 2571 02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:01,310 it is from a world that we don't 2572 02:04:08,290 --> 02:04:03,610 understand and we're never exposed to 2573 02:04:13,060 --> 02:04:08,300 the very bizarre look when you when you 2574 02:04:18,790 --> 02:04:13,070 when you look at when you look at the 2575 02:04:21,310 --> 02:04:18,800 port at Monaco and you look at 50 ships 2576 02:04:25,600 --> 02:04:21,320 that are called yachts but their ships 2577 02:04:27,939 --> 02:04:25,610 right and they're docked there and 300 2578 02:04:35,110 --> 02:04:27,949 million right now 2579 02:04:37,630 --> 02:04:35,120 now who who can buy that now I'm not 2580 02:04:39,550 --> 02:04:37,640 talking about I'm not talking about a 2581 02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:39,560 billionaire somebody with the billion 2582 02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:40,850 dollars in the bank you're not gonna 2583 02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:44,330 spend half of your wealth on a 300 2584 02:04:48,940 --> 02:04:44,810 million 2585 02:04:51,700 --> 02:04:48,950 dollar yacht this is money that and when 2586 02:04:54,670 --> 02:04:51,710 we are talking about you know you're 2587 02:04:57,520 --> 02:04:54,680 talking about Sam Walton or or Bill 2588 02:04:59,230 --> 02:04:57,530 Gates or Zuckerberg and you're you know 2589 02:05:02,050 --> 02:04:59,240 Bezos and you're talking about that 2590 02:05:05,260 --> 02:05:02,060 money there are families out there with 2591 02:05:07,930 --> 02:05:05,270 a lot more money we're talking about you 2592 02:05:09,550 --> 02:05:07,940 know accumulated wealth of a trillion 2593 02:05:12,760 --> 02:05:09,560 dollars or more 2594 02:05:15,070 --> 02:05:12,770 and never mentioned you know and that 2595 02:05:20,830 --> 02:05:15,080 that that's you know and they look at 2596 02:05:23,140 --> 02:05:20,840 they look at somebody you know look at a 2597 02:05:25,420 --> 02:05:23,150 Bezos like yeah he's got some power you 2598 02:05:28,030 --> 02:05:25,430 know he's got an Amazon but you know he 2599 02:05:29,020 --> 02:05:28,040 doesn't have that much money that's what 2600 02:05:31,450 --> 02:05:29,030 I'm talking about 2601 02:05:34,480 --> 02:05:31,460 and it's it so it's a world that you 2602 02:05:36,340 --> 02:05:34,490 will never ever be exposed to and 2603 02:05:40,240 --> 02:05:36,350 neither will you know some guy like 2604 02:05:42,250 --> 02:05:40,250 President Trump who is you know he might 2605 02:05:46,060 --> 02:05:42,260 have a few billion dollars of 2606 02:05:49,660 --> 02:05:46,070 accumulated wealth right I he's not a 2607 02:05:52,870 --> 02:05:49,670 player he's not a player in this picture 2608 02:05:55,030 --> 02:05:52,880 you know he's died you know Tom Cruise 2609 02:05:59,170 --> 02:05:55,040 he's worth what five hundred million 2610 02:06:05,130 --> 02:05:59,180 dollars that's nothing to these families 2611 02:06:10,210 --> 02:06:05,140 of real accumulated wealth that can 2612 02:06:12,040 --> 02:06:10,220 Vantage of humanity well you know I yeah 2613 02:06:14,380 --> 02:06:12,050 of course that's the obvious statement 2614 02:06:16,330 --> 02:06:14,390 you know that's a view statement and and 2615 02:06:20,590 --> 02:06:16,340 I understand that that's the obvious 2616 02:06:24,820 --> 02:06:20,600 thing to say but it is is it it's of a 2617 02:06:25,780 --> 02:06:24,830 world and a belief system that goes back 2618 02:06:27,850 --> 02:06:25,790 hundreds of years 2619 02:06:30,310 --> 02:06:27,860 that we quite frankly don't don't 2620 02:06:32,170 --> 02:06:30,320 understand you know it's the I get it I 2621 02:06:35,860 --> 02:06:32,180 get it that it's just that but that's 2622 02:06:40,480 --> 02:06:35,870 absolutely insanity right there well 2623 02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:40,490 look I I don't understand and I've got 2624 02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:45,370 everybody on hold but this is a good is 2625 02:06:54,610 --> 02:06:49,370 what I don't understand is that there 2626 02:06:57,700 --> 02:06:54,620 are hundreds of people hundreds of 2627 02:06:58,390 --> 02:06:57,710 individuals on this planet that could 2628 02:07:04,089 --> 02:06:58,400 let 2629 02:07:07,839 --> 02:07:04,099 of 1% of their wealth 1% and everybody 2630 02:07:11,859 --> 02:07:07,849 on this planet is healthy educated and 2631 02:07:15,879 --> 02:07:11,869 living correctly and fed that's it why 2632 02:07:19,959 --> 02:07:15,889 doesn't that happen why we simply put 2633 02:07:23,339 --> 02:07:19,969 why doesn't that happen that is a great 2634 02:07:27,820 --> 02:07:23,349 question I don't know you know if you 2635 02:07:30,790 --> 02:07:27,830 Scott if you had if you I did the math 2636 02:07:33,609 --> 02:07:30,800 on this once if you had a billion 2637 02:07:37,209 --> 02:07:33,619 dollars how old are you how old are you 2638 02:07:41,280 --> 02:07:37,219 I am gonna juice we got to see this 2639 02:07:45,609 --> 02:07:41,290 you're on the test and I'm under 657 2640 02:07:48,520 --> 02:07:45,619 okay let's say you're a billionaire at 2641 02:07:51,729 --> 02:07:48,530 the age of 57 and you live 13 more years 2642 02:07:55,870 --> 02:07:51,739 you make it to the age of 70 okay right 2643 02:07:58,240 --> 02:07:55,880 that 365 days times 13 right do the math 2644 02:08:01,800 --> 02:07:58,250 do the math it's not much just 3,000 2645 02:08:07,240 --> 02:08:01,810 days right 3,500 days left that means 2646 02:08:11,680 --> 02:08:07,250 you would have to spend a half a million 2647 02:08:14,850 --> 02:08:11,690 dollars a day every day for the rest of 2648 02:08:18,070 --> 02:08:14,860 your life to blow through that money a 2649 02:08:23,050 --> 02:08:18,080 million dollars a day how much jewelry 2650 02:08:27,850 --> 02:08:23,060 homes real estate and hookers and blow 2651 02:08:31,149 --> 02:08:27,860 you know so what looking at how much 2652 02:08:33,250 --> 02:08:31,159 money is too much how much my is 2653 02:08:35,350 --> 02:08:33,260 knowledge how much money is enough 2654 02:08:37,510 --> 02:08:35,360 where'd where do you reach the point 2655 02:08:39,550 --> 02:08:37,520 where you go you know what I think I can 2656 02:08:43,959 --> 02:08:39,560 live on a hundred grand a day 2657 02:08:45,550 --> 02:08:43,969 all right I'll tighten the bags up and 2658 02:08:48,189 --> 02:08:45,560 I'm gonna give the rest of it away 2659 02:08:50,830 --> 02:08:48,199 right right right I've got a Down 2660 02:08:52,780 --> 02:08:50,840 syndrome sister and I donate a lot of 2661 02:08:56,260 --> 02:08:52,790 money to my downs with some sister every 2662 02:08:58,750 --> 02:08:56,270 year and I don't make a ton of money but 2663 02:09:01,600 --> 02:08:58,760 I get my donations to wherever I can 2664 02:09:03,850 --> 02:09:01,610 but you're right I I look at these 2665 02:09:06,160 --> 02:09:03,860 people that are filthy rich how much 2666 02:09:06,580 --> 02:09:06,170 money do they really need I need some 2667 02:09:08,530 --> 02:09:06,590 money 2668 02:09:11,090 --> 02:09:08,540 you can give to the Jimmy Church poor 2669 02:09:14,930 --> 02:09:11,100 boy fund 2670 02:09:17,090 --> 02:09:14,940 okay talk to you Scott have a great 2671 02:09:18,830 --> 02:09:17,100 night man we'll see you my brother 2672 02:09:20,000 --> 02:09:18,840 we'll see you love doctor with you man 2673 02:09:21,680 --> 02:09:20,010 well I don't doubt we'll see you 2674 02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:21,690 tomorrow night on fader night I'm gonna 2675 02:09:28,010 --> 02:09:23,850 get Scott to donate to the Jimmy Church 2676 02:09:29,840 --> 02:09:28,020 poor boy fund you know I'm Paul I'm Pope 2677 02:09:33,200 --> 02:09:29,850 hi you're live on fade to black who's 2678 02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:33,210 calling I'm Jimmy of Stefan Sacramento 2679 02:09:39,100 --> 02:09:35,450 right Deb from Sacramento how are you 2680 02:09:43,640 --> 02:09:39,110 good hey great show tonight darling 2681 02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:43,650 expect that can you imagine how how bad 2682 02:09:50,660 --> 02:09:46,410 of a host would you have to be to screw 2683 02:09:52,100 --> 02:09:50,670 up a Richard Dolan interview you can 2684 02:09:53,480 --> 02:09:52,110 just mute your mic and let them go 2685 02:09:56,960 --> 02:09:53,490 that's it 2686 02:10:00,530 --> 02:09:56,970 I said you drink coffee interject a 2687 02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:00,540 couple of times and just press play 2688 02:10:05,030 --> 02:10:03,210 yeah just press play Andolan but yeah 2689 02:10:10,360 --> 02:10:05,040 what a great conversation what stands 2690 02:10:13,190 --> 02:10:10,370 out yeah oh boy okay the topic of TTS a 2691 02:10:15,950 --> 02:10:13,200 you know I don't make a habit after or 2692 02:10:17,630 --> 02:10:15,960 what Joe Rogan did to Tom DeLonge with 2693 02:10:19,550 --> 02:10:17,640 that interview of listening to Joe Rogan 2694 02:10:21,470 --> 02:10:19,560 anymore but there was a clip on YouTube 2695 02:10:23,150 --> 02:10:21,480 there was a short clip that got my 2696 02:10:24,980 --> 02:10:23,160 attention not too long ago and so I 2697 02:10:26,720 --> 02:10:24,990 listened to it and it was a guy asking 2698 02:10:29,540 --> 02:10:26,730 me Joe Rogan hey used to totally be into 2699 02:10:31,580 --> 02:10:29,550 this UFO stuff and Bigfoot oh wait and 2700 02:10:33,350 --> 02:10:31,590 now you just kind of you know flip the 2701 02:10:35,330 --> 02:10:33,360 script and it's like you just think it's 2702 02:10:38,180 --> 02:10:35,340 all you know bogus what happened to you 2703 02:10:40,070 --> 02:10:38,190 he says you know what I was really into 2704 02:10:41,480 --> 02:10:40,080 all of it and I'm not saying there is 2705 02:10:43,610 --> 02:10:41,490 another life in the universe and all he 2706 02:10:45,350 --> 02:10:43,620 goes but I did the show on you know I 2707 02:10:47,420 --> 02:10:45,360 forget what the show was you know but he 2708 02:10:49,130 --> 02:10:47,430 did this little show where it was like 2709 02:10:52,070 --> 02:10:49,140 an investigative series they're like 2710 02:10:53,540 --> 02:10:52,080 Joel I think that Joe Rogan faces the 2711 02:10:56,240 --> 02:10:53,550 world or something like that 2712 02:10:57,770 --> 02:10:56,250 thank you yeah and and so he talked 2713 02:10:59,980 --> 02:10:57,780 about that Neeson and in all those 2714 02:11:02,720 --> 02:10:59,990 investigations and doing that show I 2715 02:11:05,720 --> 02:11:02,730 discovered you know what it's a business 2716 02:11:07,640 --> 02:11:05,730 it's about money a lot of these people 2717 02:11:09,620 --> 02:11:07,650 are just out there doing it for the 2718 02:11:11,330 --> 02:11:09,630 money and to get interest you know 2719 02:11:13,490 --> 02:11:11,340 people's interest because life's boring 2720 02:11:16,280 --> 02:11:13,500 without this stuff it's all about the 2721 02:11:18,590 --> 02:11:16,290 money follow the dollars now I think in 2722 02:11:21,980 --> 02:11:18,600 a sense that may be true a lot of people 2723 02:11:23,660 --> 02:11:21,990 are in the UFO topics to make money but 2724 02:11:24,950 --> 02:11:23,670 there's a lot of serious researchers out 2725 02:11:26,990 --> 02:11:24,960 there like Richard 2726 02:11:31,070 --> 02:11:27,000 but then when I started taking that vein 2727 02:11:34,130 --> 02:11:31,080 of thinking I followed it to TTS a well 2728 02:11:35,660 --> 02:11:34,140 who props up TTS a as far as you know 2729 02:11:37,160 --> 02:11:35,670 this recent thing with Greenwald I 2730 02:11:38,750 --> 02:11:37,170 watched those clips on all the major 2731 02:11:41,990 --> 02:11:38,760 news channels and when they reference 2732 02:11:44,180 --> 02:11:42,000 those videos they kept referencing TTS a 2733 02:11:45,740 --> 02:11:44,190 I never heard John Greenwald's name 2734 02:11:47,990 --> 02:11:45,750 mentioned so they're doing the 2735 02:11:48,800 --> 02:11:48,000 credibility in the credit and you talked 2736 02:11:53,360 --> 02:11:48,810 about this the other night 2737 02:11:54,890 --> 02:11:53,370 TTS a and so they're propping them up so 2738 02:11:57,800 --> 02:11:54,900 that the public will look at them as a 2739 02:11:59,480 --> 02:11:57,810 credible resource from you know the 2740 02:12:01,940 --> 02:11:59,490 Pentagon or the government they want you 2741 02:12:03,470 --> 02:12:01,950 to make that connection in your mind so 2742 02:12:05,210 --> 02:12:03,480 that the more they're propped up maybe 2743 02:12:07,550 --> 02:12:05,220 over time people more people will invest 2744 02:12:09,860 --> 02:12:07,560 follow the dollars these are the credit 2745 02:12:12,200 --> 02:12:09,870 people people to trust these are the 2746 02:12:14,690 --> 02:12:12,210 people to watch well Allah forget about 2747 02:12:17,600 --> 02:12:14,700 the UFO community and in the same sense 2748 02:12:19,310 --> 02:12:17,610 Tom DeLonge used your platform and Coast 2749 02:12:21,830 --> 02:12:19,320 Coast and all these other platforms to 2750 02:12:23,300 --> 02:12:21,840 launch his company but now that they're 2751 02:12:25,220 --> 02:12:23,310 launched and they're putting all this 2752 02:12:27,110 --> 02:12:25,230 stuff out there which a lot of it they 2753 02:12:29,510 --> 02:12:27,120 won't even answer questions to the curb 2754 02:12:31,360 --> 02:12:29,520 the important questions you know Jimmy 2755 02:12:34,220 --> 02:12:31,370 we've got this the whole bit it's like 2756 02:12:35,870 --> 02:12:34,230 what respect is he giving back to us so 2757 02:12:38,660 --> 02:12:35,880 why shouldn't we give him respect and 2758 02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:38,670 trust them when they can't even come 2759 02:12:44,570 --> 02:12:41,850 back on a show and answer some important 2760 02:12:50,090 --> 02:12:44,580 questions and you know clean up their 2761 02:12:53,900 --> 02:12:50,100 mess basically and so does it just agree 2762 02:12:58,670 --> 02:12:53,910 with everything at this point I don't 2763 02:13:00,230 --> 02:12:58,680 care about having you know Tom back on 2764 02:13:01,820 --> 02:13:00,240 the show I think everything that they 2765 02:13:04,160 --> 02:13:01,830 have done that you know they've they've 2766 02:13:05,720 --> 02:13:04,170 answered the questions by not answering 2767 02:13:08,900 --> 02:13:05,730 the questions that's number one number 2768 02:13:11,090 --> 02:13:08,910 two I did speak to Tom a couple of 2769 02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:11,100 months ago had a conversation may it was 2770 02:13:16,310 --> 02:13:14,010 maybe 15 minutes long on the phone and 2771 02:13:18,320 --> 02:13:16,320 he said yeah man oh I'll come on fade to 2772 02:13:20,450 --> 02:13:18,330 black it'd be great but I'm only gonna 2773 02:13:21,890 --> 02:13:20,460 talk about unidentified and I'm only 2774 02:13:24,140 --> 02:13:21,900 gonna promote the show I'm not gonna 2775 02:13:26,270 --> 02:13:24,150 talk about anything that the community 2776 02:13:27,620 --> 02:13:26,280 is concerned about and I was like well I 2777 02:13:30,680 --> 02:13:27,630 guess you're not coming out fade to 2778 02:13:32,990 --> 02:13:30,690 black then so there's that part and 2779 02:13:35,600 --> 02:13:33,000 addressing I've got 15 seconds then I 2780 02:13:40,100 --> 02:13:35,610 gotta fly Joe Rogan who 2781 02:13:42,260 --> 02:13:40,110 walked away from this UFO thing and he's 2782 02:13:45,379 --> 02:13:42,270 certainly right back in it now you know 2783 02:13:47,899 --> 02:13:45,389 he just did the Lazar interview he just 2784 02:13:50,240 --> 02:13:47,909 had on dan Aykroyd he's been talking 2785 02:13:53,359 --> 02:13:50,250 UFOs a lot lately because he enjoys 2786 02:13:55,729 --> 02:13:53,369 those clicks and he knows it apparently 2787 02:13:58,850 --> 02:13:55,739 is pretty good business for him too 2788 02:14:00,080 --> 02:13:58,860 with that Deb enjoy the rest of your 2789 02:14:02,810 --> 02:14:00,090 night and we'll see you tomorrow night 2790 02:14:03,950 --> 02:14:02,820 on fader night thank you so much Jimmy 2791 02:14:06,410 --> 02:14:03,960 take care thank you 2792 02:14:08,330 --> 02:14:06,420 great call from Deb and and thank you 2793 02:14:11,260 --> 02:14:08,340 Scott for that I've got to get out of 2794 02:14:13,580 --> 02:14:11,270 here we went uh wall to wall tonight and 2795 02:14:17,660 --> 02:14:13,590 tomorrow night is fate or night open 2796 02:14:20,510 --> 02:14:17,670 lines all night long fade to black cigs 2797 02:14:25,100 --> 02:14:20,520 ecute of producer is Rita Kumari on show 2798 02:14:28,550 --> 02:14:25,110 is produced by Hill Jay Paul Renee 2799 02:14:30,680 --> 02:14:28,560 Dennis and Bob announcers are Steve Hart 2800 02:14:32,629 --> 02:14:30,690 Achieva Toa Marty colbaugh what master 2801 02:14:37,359 --> 02:14:32,639 is drew the key 2802 02:14:41,479 --> 02:14:37,369 music doug aldrich intro space bar space 2803 02:14:44,720 --> 02:14:41,489 boy music.com fade to black is produced 2804 02:14:47,959 --> 02:14:44,730 by kjsurya 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